I have yet to see either of these devices in action and am not on the inside track with this. However it is reasonable to read into it the following: in the case of Panasonic TVs RNIB was consulted for "design advice" and came up with a "Voice Guidance" feature which I read as something short of a full on accessibility solution for the blind. The RNIB press release on the other hand for the TVonics box suggests that RNIB were rather more involved in the process and possibly at a much earlier stage too. It is clear to me at least that extra memory and capacity was already deliberately set aside in the unit to accommodate this future. This sort of retrofitting extra capabilities in software that nobody had any idea about has happened with other products. The TV market is notoriously price sensitive and although the set top DVR may well be as well it is probably a bit easier to get more power into those and still sell at a reasonable price. Regards. Tristram Llewellyn Technical Support Sight and Sound Technology From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Brewer Sent: 16 May 2012 11:06 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Where does this leave the Panasonic TV? Hi List All this discussion about the new talking PVR got me thinking. One thing I've noticed that noone has mentioned is that the new TVs that Panasonic recently launched are probably already obsolete, as far as the blind community are concerned. Their accessibility compared to the tvonics box is very poor. With the new tvonics recorder you can take a standard TV and make it completely accessible. Ok, the Goodmans did a simlar job, but as many would argue it was quite poor compared to this one. What still amazes me and this is coming from a former electronics design engineer is that with just a simple upgrade to the firmware the box becomes completely accessible. Over time more features and enhancements will be added and they will be free. Something else the goodmans lacked. RNIB, Goodmans and Panasonic must have invested a fair amount of time and money in developing the accessibility of their recent products, which required more of a hardware rather than a software solution which is always far more expensive and restricting. Now tvonics come along and hey presto with a simple upgrade we have complete accessibility. Ok, not quite, iplayer and digital text, but given time they will be. I still think it was brave of Panasonic to try and be a trail blazer. Unfortunately they didn't do enough and left a lot of people wondering why so much of the TV was still inaccessible. Maybe they will take notice of tvonics, which in truth is a far less well known and less established electronics manufacturer. When I've mentioned Tvonics to people, so far all have said they have never heard of them. Maybe now they will become more well known. Just my thoughts. Darren. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________