If this is a problem now, it may only be a short term one. As time goes by, more people who lose their sight in later life will have used computers and so those products which appear to make things simpler may not seem such a good option to them. I expect they will want true access from their accessibility product at a much earlier stage than is currently the case.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:02 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences Thanks Barry, Good points all. We have started to work with some AT developers, and would like to engage with others, but not all of them will listen. I did think that we'd reached a cut off point a couple of years ago, but people who become blind in later life must find the ease of learning the less feature rich AT very attractive, and as we live longer and the baby-boom peak hits, this may become a pressing problem. Cheers, Bim -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 09 March 2011 09:40 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences Hi Bim, It may take time but your approach suggests holding those back who can move forward for those who are unable to at present. Sledge hammer to knocka nail in. It would be more productive if the RNIB worked with the devs of the less-feature ritch ATs. It may also be possible that there comes a cut off point... The more simple a product is to use the less functionality it unltimately has. Regards, Barry.
-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Egan, Bim Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:31 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences Hi Barry, The question of "too many keystrokes" stems from some screen reading interfaces that give the impression that the right way to use them is to navigate through every piece of text on a page. Hence the call for simplified web pages. The people using this type of software are normally not very computer literate, being older people who are new to blindness and reach out to computing as a solution, but don't have the experience to handle a fully featured screen reader. It may well be as you say, a training issue, but that takes time and meanwhile some people are getting left behind. Thanks, Bim -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 09 March 2011 09:22 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences Hi, Option C. Also please define what you mean by "Too many keystrokes". If the site is designed well and the person is trained with their Adaptive Technology this should not be the case. Regards, Barry. > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Richard Godfrey-McKay > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:12 AM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences > > Option c, every time. > > > Richard Godfrey-McKay > > Telephone: 01738-445 880 > > Mobile: 07791 452 593 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of > Colin Fowler > Sent: 09 March 2011 07:33 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences > > It has to be option C always! BS8878 underpins that and you should
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> supporting BS8878. > > > Colin Fowler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Egan, Bim" <Bim.Egan@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:29 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Website preferences > > > > Hi, > > > > Apologies if you see this on other lists ... > > > > My name's Bim Egan, I'm the technical lead for RNIB's web access > team. > > Web designers sometimes look to RNIB for guidance on what sight- > impaired > > people need to make a site accessible. Though we have no power to > > insist that they take our advice, we want to make sure that what
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> say > > is right for you and others . > > > > Could you help us please, by saying which of the following three > options > > (A, B or C) would be more likely to suit your needs? > > > > A. a text-only site, mirroring the main site with all its features; > or > > > > B. A separate, simplified site made easier for sight-impaired > people, > > but with the risk of missing out on some of the features on the main > > site; or > > > > Option C: If it's possible, one website that is accessible for > everyone, > > sighted and unsighted. > > > > Option B could mean extra cost for web designers, which they may not > > like to incur. On the other hand some people who work entirely from > the > > keyboard tell us that Options A and C can mean far too many key > strokes > > for them. > > > > Question: Would it be a good idea for RNIB, as policy, to encourage > > designers of the more popular or important sites for independent > > living, (grocery sites for example) to produce an option B
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