No Ian, The suggestion is that some screen reading interfaces can't cope with a lot of choices, and perhaps the users of this type of software would also find too many choices challenging. Everyone wants inclusion in the overall objective, say shopping online, but some people are finding the amount of additional information that comes from main sites, i.e. offers, missed offers, new offers, distracting and something of an information overload. They would sooner look for offers in a simple shopping page than have all offers made obvious. This is of course, just an example. :) Thanks, Bim -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: 09 March 2011 09:36 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences Are you seriously suggesting that visually impaired people actually want to be excluded? Iain -----Original Message----- From: Egan, Bim Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:24 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences Hi Ian and Colin, We have always held the view that inclusion is what blind and partially sighted people want, but this has been challenged recently. Someone asked the not unreasonable question, "How do you know, have you asked?" The honest answer to that was that we hadn't. We've held the view on the basis of general moves in accessibility, views of VI people we know as well as our personal views. The question now is to see whether we were right or wrong. I'll fill in a bit more background here. There are screen reading systems that can't cope with modern web site techniques, and people, often those who are new to blindness and new to computers, who find the volumes of information difficult to deal with. What's the answer for these people? Thanks, Bim -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Colin Fowler Sent: 09 March 2011 09:16 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences No, it is very disappointing that the technical lead for the RNIB's web accessibility team is allowing doubt about web accessibility to influence and ask such questions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences > surely the answer is obviously C. Design should be inclusive and I think > we have seen too many examples of "special" sites not having all the > facilities of the main site or not being properly maintained. I can't even > see why the question is being asked. > > Iain > > -----Original Message----- > From: Egan, Bim > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:29 AM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Website preferences > > > Hi, > > Apologies if you see this on other lists ... > > My name's Bim Egan, I'm the technical lead for RNIB's web access team. > Web designers sometimes look to RNIB for guidance on what sight-impaired > people need to make a site accessible. Though we have no power to > insist that they take our advice, we want to make sure that what we say > is right for you and others . > > Could you help us please, by saying which of the following three options > (A, B or C) would be more likely to suit your needs? > > A. a text-only site, mirroring the main site with all its features; or > > B. A separate, simplified site made easier for sight-impaired people, > but with the risk of missing out on some of the features on the main > site; or > > Option C: If it's possible, one website that is accessible for everyone, > sighted and unsighted. > > Option B could mean extra cost for web designers, which they may not > like to incur. On the other hand some people who work entirely from the > keyboard tell us that Options A and C can mean far too many key strokes > for them. > > Question: Would it be a good idea for RNIB, as policy, to encourage > designers of the more popular or important sites for independent > living, (grocery sites for example) to produce an option B version? > > Thank you. > > Bim > > > > -- > DISCLAIMER: > > NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is > confidential and may be privileged. 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