Thanks Chris for the explanation; not something I need concern myself with then :) Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista on a Netbook |A virtual machine can be thought of as a real computer running on top of | your host. It's just another way of running another operating system, with | the advantage that a reboot is not required. It can be used, for example, to | try another operating system, to use applications that are not compatible | with your host operating system, etc. I just use it for pure fun because I | like to know how things work. Hope this helps. | | -- | Chris Hallsworth | E-mail: CH9675@xxxxxxxxxxx | MSN: CH9675@xxxxxxxxxxx | Skype: chrishallsworth7266 | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Andy Collins" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:00 PM | Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista on a Netbook | | | > What is virtual machine all about? When would one use it? and how is it an | > advantage? | > | > Thanks - | > | > Andy | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:11 PM | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista on a Netbook | > | > | > | Hmm, I did get JAWS to work quite well on my XP VM. I'm not disagreeing | > with | > | you at all; it's just I've played around with virtualization quite | > | extensively and I find JAWS to work really well once the special tools | > for | > | the VM are installed, such as VMware Tools for VMware virtual machines. | > | | > | -- | > | Chris Hallsworth | > | E-mail: CH9675@xxxxxxxxxxx | > | MSN: CH9675@xxxxxxxxxxx | > | Skype: chrishallsworth7266 | > | ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > | Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:27 AM | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista on a Netbook | > | | > | | > | > The last thing you would ever want to do on a netbook is run | > | > virtualisation software for the following reasons: | > | > 1) A virtual machine must be given a chunk of your existing real RAM | > to | > | > work when the VM is running. So typically if you were to have a 2GB | > | > machine you may have to give the VM maybe 512 or perhaps 1GB of your | > | > system RAM whilst stilling leaving something for the host operating | > system | > | > to work with. Most netbooks don't have the RAM. | > | > 2) Machine virtualisation software is still reasonably processor | > intensive | > | > it is not the kind of typical task most ordinary people to whom | > Netbooks | > | > are marketed are doing right now. | > | > 3) Virtualisation per se is not without its problems either and most | > if | > | > not all Access Tech (and even mainstream developers) will generally | > not | > | > support their products on VMs. | > | > | > | > If you must use VISTA find a none to expensive laptop that does it. | > There | > | > are still smaller machines that are not as scaled down as Netbooks | > that | > | > would taks VISTA around. | > | > | > | > | > | > Regards. | > | > | > | > Tristram Llewellyn | > | > Sight and Sound Technology | > | > Technical Support | > | > www.sightandsound.co.uk | > | > | > | > Mail: | > | > Tristram: tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | > Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | > General - info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | > | > | > Phone: | > | > Support line: 0845 634 7979 | > | > | > | > Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in England | > and | > | > Wales, with company number 1408275. | > | > | > | > Sight and Sound Technology | > | > Welton House North Wing | > | > Summerhouse Road | > | > Moulton Park | > | > Northampton | > | > NN3 6WD | > | > | > | > VAT Number - GB 860 2121 66. | > | > | > | > | > | > -----Original Message----- | > | > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On | > Behalf | > | > Of Negoslav Sabev | > | > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:39 PM | > | > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista on a Netbook | > | > | > | > Yes, but don't virtualize on the netbook, because if you have 1gb ram, | > it | > | > won't let you run vista, cause you need to give the virtual machine at | > | > least | > | > 1gb, and you have only one gb, and it's used by your real computer. | > The | > | > virtual machine uses your real ram and hard drive space for storring | > the | > | > virttual hard disks. | > | > | > | > Negoslav | > | > | > | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > | > From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > | > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > | > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:49 PM | > | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista on a Netbook | > | > | > | > | > | >> Yes. Vista would be too slow for 1 GB of RAM, even if it's the | > recommend | > | >> amount. 2 GB is excellent for best results. Also, he could run | > | >> virtualization software and create a virtual machine and operate | > Vista | > | >> that way. Actually, virtualization is strongly recommended since you | > | >> don't | > | >> need to think about hardware and software requirements like you would | > | >> have | > | >> to if you were installing Vista for real. | > | >> | > | >> -- | > | >> Chris Hallsworth | > | >> E-mail: CH9675@xxxxxxxxxxx | > | >> MSN: CH9675@xxxxxxxxxxx | > | >> Skype: chrishallsworth7266 | > | >> ----- Original Message ----- | > | >> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > | >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > | >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:09 PM | > | >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista on a Netbook | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> Maybe you will be able to use Vista but the guy in Curry's said to me | > | >> that | > | >> Vista would be too slow on the NC10. Maybe he meant with the 1GB | > RAM. | > | >> | > | >> Eleanor | > | >> ----- Original Message ----- | > | >> From: Saqib | > | >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:45 PM | > | >> Subject: [access-uk] Vista on a Netbook | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> Hi. Is it possible to install Vista on a netbook? I'm thinking of | > | >> getting | > | >> a netbook and want to use Vista on it. I know I'll have to increase | > the | > | >> RAM to 2GB to get a decent performance out of it but I don't know if | > | >> these | > | >> Netbooks are built to have Vista installed on them. I will be | > browsing | > | >> for | > | >> a netbook and the Samsung NC10 will be amongst my thoughts. I think | > it | > | >> will be a toss up between the NC10 and the Advent 4213 which is a | > mobile | > | >> broadband netbook as it has a simcard slot. 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