[access-uk] Re: VIBRATING TACTILE WATCH
- From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:22:16 +0100
Sounds like a cartel to me, perhaps the Office of Fair Trading might like to
hear about that!
Alex
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Robert Stokes
Sent: 22 October 2004 09:49
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VIBRATING TACTILE WATCH
Hi Alex,
That can't be right. There's another dealer already selling the watch in the
UK. I hate to mention it but they appear to be even bigger rip-off merchants
than RNIB. Their price is over £400.
Best.
Robert.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:33 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VIBRATING TACTILE WATCH
Robert, Cobolt probably won't be able to sell the watch if RNIB do, as I
imagine RNIB will come to an arrangement whereby they are Tisot's soul agent
for the product in the UK.
Cheers.
Alex
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Robert Stokes
Sent: 21 October 2004 20:27
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VIBRATING TACTILE WATCH
Hi Ian,
I must say, I like the idea of having one of these watches but there's no
way I'd be prepared to pay the rip-off price being charged by RNIB. You say,
they would be willing to make representations to Tissot to see if the price
could be lowered if more of us indicated we were willing to buy the watch.
Well, that sounds like a lot of old tosh to me. Is the lady you spoke to
saying that Tissot have set the price at which the watch can be resold?
Surely, that's been illegal since MRP was abolished many years ago. If it
is the case, which I very much doubt, why are they allowing Sendero Group to
sell at a much lower price than RNIB?
When this subject was raised by Alex Stone a few weeks ago, I reported that
a member of Cobolt staff had told me at Sight Village they were evaluating
the watch and expected it would sell for around £182 which is more or less
in line with Sendero's price. I sent an email to Cobolt on 13 October asking
if they still intended to market the product but have yet to receive a
reply. I'll certainly let you know, if and when I hear anything.
Best.
Robert.
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From: "Ian Macrae" <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: [access-uk] VIBRATING TACTILE WATCH
Hi all,
As promised earlier, here's a digest of my thoughts on the Tissot SilenT
vibrating tactile watch. It's slightly augmented from what appeared on the
In Touch web pages following the show. One thing I haven't included in the
formal review is that this watch looks like what it is, a quality Swiss
watch. Given it's price, it's clearly something which people might choose
to buy taking its look and style into account alongside its difference from
a conventional tactile watch. I'd be happy to try to answer any questions
about aspects of the watch's design or operation. But I can't comment
further than I have on its price or RNIB's decision to carry it as a line as
I have no responsibility for or control over either of those things.
This stylish-looking watch is very different from other tactile watches.
They have lids which you lift up to reveal hands which can be touched and
dots around the face at the 12 time points.
The SilenT from Swiss watch-maker Tissot (which also has a silent T) has a
flat smooth face surrounded by a raised metal bezel. The bezel has raised
markings on it to show the 12 time points which also appear on the analogue
face itself as white marks with numbers at points 12 and 6. The face is
black and the watch has white hands which makes them easy to see. But the
hands are not available to touch. However, as you'll find out, you don't
need to be able to feel them. For people with some sight, the watch face is
clear and is also illuminated in the dark.
The watch is very easy to operate and has only one control, a button
positioned at the 3 o'clock point on the outside casing where you'd normally
find the winder.
To tell the time you simply press this button for less than 2 seconds and
run your index finger clockwise around the smooth face. When I first had
the watch, the temptation was to run my finger around the raised metal bezel
because that's where the markings are, but it's important to remember that
you have to touch the flat face. When you reach the point where the hour is
indicated you feel a continuous vibration. When you reach the point where
the minute hand is, you feel a series of intermittent vibrations depending
on how many minutes through the hour you are. For example, at 18 minutes
past 6, there will be a continuous vibration at the six o'clock point on the
face and a burst of three intermittent vibrations to show that the time is
three minutes past the 15 minute point. Similarly, at 22 minutes or 36
minutes past the hour you'll feel bursts of two and one vibrations at the 4
and 7 points respectively. When the hand is pointing at the actual mark (at
quarter past
, twenty to etc) you feel a continuous stream of intermittent vibrations.
When both hands are over the same point, for example at twenty to eight,
there is a long burst of vibration followed by a succession of shorter
intermittent ones indicating the number of minutes past that point have been
reached. The other thing to remember is that, when going back up the hour
from the half hour, the watch continues to represent the time as minutes
past the hour, not minutes to it. So, although the time may be quarter to
nine, the continuous hour vibration will continue to appear at the 8. Users
of talking or visual digital watches will quickly get used to this.
If you press the button and run your finger counter-clockwise around the
face the hands automatically move to the time at which the watch's alarm is
currently set. Setting both the time and the alarm are easily done without
sight although the instructions which come on an audio CD with the watch
make things appear more complicated than they actually are. However, I
understand that the RNIB is proposing to re-write the instructions and
supply them in Braille with the watch.
I found that this watch allows sight impaired people to tell the time
through touch quickly effectively and discretely. Setting the time and the
vibrating alarm was easily done by tactile means. Indeed, the watch
appeared to have been designed for use with the needs of VI people
particularly in mind since there were tactile vibrating cues for most of the
functions. The vibrating alarm was useful both as a reminder and a wake-up
alarm.
The watch will be available from RNIB from November 1 and will cost £285 for
the version with a sturdy black leather strap and £295 for one with a metal
bracelet. Those prices are inclusive of VAT so that can be deducted for
blind and partially sighted customers. Enquiries and pre-orders at RNIB
customer Services.
One UK resident I know of has already bought the watch from
http://www.senderogroup.com/shopwatch.htm
a US-based website where prices are $165 and $229 respectively. However,
there was a shipping charge to this customer of $100. Tissot has also told
us that,
"Tissot watches are only available from stockists - jewellers, department
stores - and for this piece, the RNIB. We do not sell direct to the public
or from any web site."
So, if you intend to buy from this or any other website, you should check
that they are offering the full 2 year warrantee which authorised Tissot
distributors, including RNIB offer with the watch and that all other
consumer rights are in tact.
RNIB acknowledges that the price may seem high but both they and Tissot
point out that this is a high quality Swiss watch and a high value product.
RNIB also makes the point that it now supplies tactile, talking and
easy=-to-see watches to fit every lifestyle and pocket from a talking watch
for £5.00 to this luxury item at the high end of the range. When I
suggested to them that it was a shame that such a revolutionary, useful and
easy to use item was priced so prohibitively for many of their customers.
Sandra Taylor from the Peterborough office said that if customer feedback
indicated that more people would by the watch if it was cheaper, she would
be prepared to make representations to Tissot to see if the price could be
lowered.
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