hi david, hence the reason i'm still using one which is 8 years old. you get a lot less for your money in the braille watch world these days. and i too don't like the general design nowadays. just hope this thing doesn't pack up on me! smile. email or msn kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx cheers - kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Russell" <david.russell8@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: VIBRATING TACTILE WATCH I get spam about Rolex watches all the time, and have never looked at the site in respect of the new vibrating watch. Much as I would like one, I fear the cost is rather too high. I usually make do with a cheap talking watch, but there are times when you do not want the whole world to know you are looking at the time. Braille flip up lid watches to my mind were once much better than they are now. The recent trend of having a sort of ridge in the six position which you have to get your finger nail under to open the watch is not satisfactory. They either will not open at all unless brute force is used, or they flip open at the slightest touch. The watches which opened at the press of the winder or a button next to the winder were much better. Last time I looked around RNIB I could not find a braille watch I liked. If anyone has recommendations I would like to hear them. David --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.781 / Virus Database: 527 - Release Date: 21/10/04 ** To leave the list, send a message to:- ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, send a message to:- ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq