[access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:02:10 -0000
Hi,
I don't know about tactile markings, but existing installations do work.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Niamh
Sent: 30 December 2012 14:35
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
Hi Steve,
Two questions I am right in saying that the Licence for Jaws can pre-exist
the purchase of the new Laptop?
My other question if a keyboard or mouse were marked would that count as
"adaptive?"
I don't think people on the list realise that if a VAT error is made it is
the retailer who gets hit.
Apple can live with that, smaller companies can't.
Poor Jackie brought such vitriol on herself it was awful.
Kind regards Niamh.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 11:47 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
> Hi Niam,
>
> Yes, I did go direct to HMRC for advice and they pointed me to relevant
> web
> pages.
>
> So thank you for confirming that my advice I was given is correct.
>
> All the best
>
> steve
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> On Behalf Of Niamh
> Sent: 28 December 2012 16:34
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
>
> Hi Steve,
> you are 100% correct.
> In a former sighted existance I was a VAT officer.
> At the end of the day the Apple accounts will be forced to pay just
> under £17 out of every £100 they charged the customer.
> If they had an "exemption" granted by Customs and Excise then each
> person
> buying the computer have to complet a VAT exemption form.
> As I say I was trying to stay out of it, but the retailer not the customer
> will have to pick up the VAT.
> VAT rules aren't that complex, retailers have to prove their case, Custom
> and Excise dfault position is "give me the money."
> I have to say that the debate offended me, poor Jackie tried, to do what
> she always does,, pass on useful information and it all got silly.
> Well done Steve for clearer it up, I suspect you deal with the Vat
> officer!!
> Happy new year to all listers.
> Niamh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is not strictly true.
>>
>> If the supplier installs a screen reader to a PC, then the CPU part of
>> the
>> PC is also VAT exempt. Not the screen or the keyboard if they are
>> external,
>> but just the CPU. If it is a laptop then the whole thing can be exempted
>> provided that a screen reader is installed before despatch.
>>
>> VoiceOver on the other hand is part of the operating system, as Narrator
>> is
>> to Windows, and so cannot be exempted.
>>
>> This is what HMRC advised me.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of martin wilsher
>> Sent: 24 December 2012 09:14
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
>>
>> in those cases, the vat can only be taken off the portion that would be
>> charged for the screen reader. so say a screen reader licence is 700
>> quid
>> inc vat, the vat can come off that £700 and not off the cost of the main
>> pc
>> package.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <lists.godfrey-mckay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:00 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
>>
>>
>>>I wonder if this is one of those cases where individual Customs offices
>>>make
>>> local arrangements? Think this used to happen in relation to the
>>> charging
>>> of VAT on PC packages which, for example, included a screenreader.
>>>
>>> Agree that it would be better if a definitive answer were in
>>> place -although
>>> the answer may well be that, strictly, current regs don't give any room
>>> for
>>> VAT exemption.
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>>>
>>> Telephone: 01738-445 880
>>>
>>> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Mike Cassidy
>>> Sent: 23 December 2012 23:22
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
>>>
>>> Hi listers,
>>>
>>> The one thing that should happen with this affair is that there should
>>> be
>>> equity. We can either obtain complete or partial VAT exemption, or we
>>> can't.
>>> Which is it?
>>>
>>> Happy Christmas,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Richard Godfrey-McKay
>>> Sent: 23 December 2012 16:30
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
>>>
>>> What ridiculous sour grapes! How on earth would that attitude promote
>>> the
>>> interests of blind or PS people?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>>>
>>> Telephone: 01738-445 880
>>>
>>> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Will
>>> Sent: 23 December 2012 16:16
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
>>>
>>> I hope all those people who have had the exemption are forced to pay
>>> back
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 23, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Sean O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/12/2012 11:50, paul leake wrote:
>>>>> Nobody is getting away with anything! There should be consistency
>>>>> throughout the company as certainly when the Trafford Centre apple
>>>>> store checked, there was a definite policy! Clearly not all stores
>>>>> appreciate this!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> Twitter: @paulleake1
>>>>>
>>>>> paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Saqib" <Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:33:30 -0000
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi. I contacted the Birmingham Store about this and they informed me
>>>>> that they don't offer such exemption to VI customers. What's so
>>>>> unfair about it is some people are getting away with it when
>>>>> Voiceover products haven't had any adaptions made to them so I don't
>>>>> understand why there is an exemption in the first place. I would be
>>>>> interested to find out if anyone else has visitted the Birmingham
>>>>> store recently.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: paul leake
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:51 PM
>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
>>>>>
>>>>> I confirm that after some discussions with the Manager of the apple
>>>>> store in the Trafford Centre, I purchased an Ipad and received the
>>>>> vat deduction. I explained that other stores had ^one this and they
>>>>> checked Apple's policy and then agffeed that it was ok to do it. I
>>>>> specifically went to the apple store as I feared that other general
>>>>> stores would have no idea!
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> Twitter: @paulleake1
>>>>>
>>>>> paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>> another point to bear in mind with regard to tax (vat) exemption is
>>>> that t6his exemption only applies if the product is specifically
>>>> deigned for use by a person with a known access requirement( speech in
>>>> the case of people with impaired vision), voiceover although enabling
>>>> Vi users to access Apple products, is an integral part of the product
>>>> and not specifically designed as an optional accessibility tool, if
>>>> voiceover was a separate product requiring a separate purchasing
>>>> transaction the case for an exemption to VAT would be stronger, maybe
>>>> a chat with the VAT office might be more rewarding as they would be
>>>> in a better position to advise on specific grounds for VAT exemption ,
>>>> however, if you go through this route don't expect a simple clear cut
>>>> answer as the vat rules are horrendously complex
>>>>
>>>> sorry if this is not the answer the original enquirer was seeking but
>>>> its the best shot I can give on the subject
>>>>
>>>> regards to all, Sean
>>>>
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