Hi Niam,
Yes, I did go direct to HMRC for advice and they pointed me to relevant
web
pages.
So thank you for confirming that my advice I was given is correct.
All the best
steve
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On Behalf Of Niamh
Sent: 28 December 2012 16:34
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
Hi Steve,
you are 100% correct.
In a former sighted existance I was a VAT officer.
At the end of the day the Apple accounts will be forced to pay just
under £17 out of every £100 they charged the customer.
If they had an "exemption" granted by Customs and Excise then each
person
buying the computer have to complet a VAT exemption form.
As I say I was trying to stay out of it, but the retailer not the customer
will have to pick up the VAT.
VAT rules aren't that complex, retailers have to prove their case, Custom
and Excise dfault position is "give me the money."
I have to say that the debate offended me, poor Jackie tried, to do what
she always does,, pass on useful information and it all got silly.
Well done Steve for clearer it up, I suspect you deal with the Vat
officer!!
Happy new year to all listers.
Niamh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
Hi,
This is not strictly true.
If the supplier installs a screen reader to a PC, then the CPU part of
the
PC is also VAT exempt. Not the screen or the keyboard if they are
external,
but just the CPU. If it is a laptop then the whole thing can be exempted
provided that a screen reader is installed before despatch.
VoiceOver on the other hand is part of the operating system, as Narrator
is
to Windows, and so cannot be exempted.
This is what HMRC advised me.
All the best
Steve
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On Behalf Of martin wilsher
Sent: 24 December 2012 09:14
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
in those cases, the vat can only be taken off the portion that would be
charged for the screen reader. so say a screen reader licence is 700
quid
inc vat, the vat can come off that £700 and not off the cost of the main
pc
package.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <lists.godfrey-mckay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
I wonder if this is one of those cases where individual Customs offices
make
local arrangements? Think this used to happen in relation to the
charging
of VAT on PC packages which, for example, included a screenreader.
Agree that it would be better if a definitive answer were in
place -although
the answer may well be that, strictly, current regs don't give any room
for
VAT exemption.
Richard
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On Behalf Of Mike Cassidy
Sent: 23 December 2012 23:22
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
Hi listers,
The one thing that should happen with this affair is that there should
be
equity. We can either obtain complete or partial VAT exemption, or we
can't.
Which is it?
Happy Christmas,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Richard Godfrey-McKay
Sent: 23 December 2012 16:30
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
What ridiculous sour grapes! How on earth would that attitude promote
the
interests of blind or PS people?
Richard
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From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Will
Sent: 23 December 2012 16:16
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
I hope all those people who have had the exemption are forced to pay
back
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Sean O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On 23/12/2012 11:50, paul leake wrote:
Nobody is getting away with anything! There should be consistency
throughout the company as certainly when the Trafford Centre apple
store checked, there was a definite policy! Clearly not all stores
appreciate this!
Cheers
Paul
Twitter: @paulleake1
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Saqib" <Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:33:30 -0000
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
Hi. I contacted the Birmingham Store about this and they informed me
that they don't offer such exemption to VI customers. What's so
unfair about it is some people are getting away with it when
Voiceover products haven't had any adaptions made to them so I don't
understand why there is an exemption in the first place. I would be
interested to find out if anyone else has visitted the Birmingham
store recently.
-----Original Message-----
From: paul leake
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:51 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: VAT exemption on VoiceOver products
I confirm that after some discussions with the Manager of the apple
store in the Trafford Centre, I purchased an Ipad and received the
vat deduction. I explained that other stores had ^one this and they
checked Apple's policy and then agffeed that it was ok to do it. I
specifically went to the apple store as I feared that other general
stores would have no idea!
Good luck!
Cheers
Paul
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another point to bear in mind with regard to tax (vat) exemption is
that t6his exemption only applies if the product is specifically
deigned for use by a person with a known access requirement( speech in
the case of people with impaired vision), voiceover although enabling
Vi users to access Apple products, is an integral part of the product
and not specifically designed as an optional accessibility tool, if
voiceover was a separate product requiring a separate purchasing
transaction the case for an exemption to VAT would be stronger, maybe
a chat with the VAT office might be more rewarding as they would be
in a better position to advise on specific grounds for VAT exemption ,
however, if you go through this route don't expect a simple clear cut
answer as the vat rules are horrendously complex
sorry if this is not the answer the original enquirer was seeking but
its the best shot I can give on the subject
regards to all, Sean
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