Hi, well I can't comment on your lack of consultation, but that's one thing we really should get right this time, I hope! As for many contractions disappearing, well many is subjective, and the way we use the word in the UK certainly would mislead people into thinking it's a bigger change than it is. But frankly, our comfortable little world where we all communicated with other blind people by letter and tuned pianos, weaved baskets, or answered phones has gone, and we do now need to live in the mainstream world and understand what is going on in it! Too many of us are out of work and UEB will at least help us understand some of the presentation that goes on in the sighted world. Lack of awareness of this, well, presentation, layout and appearance in general, is one of the biggest obstacles for many blind people, but they don't realise it! I might suggest being told what print symbols are appropriate for us to know about is like being told we must sit in a certain chair and pushed at it! And the level of discrimination and lack of accessible information is still criminal, and we must do what we can to help ourselves, by giving people a system that is easy to produce, reproduce, convert back into print for those who work with notetakers etc, as well as clear to read in increasingly hostile and complex times! And with the technology we now have, UEB is going to become increasingly necesary as time goes by. Anyway, for South Africa, what would be best? Two sets of maths and computer braille to learn or one? People need to know that South Africa receives a large amount of its braille from both the UK and America, so has to contend with both systems, though if I remember rightly, the code is much more like ours than the American one, and ours is the best of the old codes by a very long way. Cheers Dave -------------------------------------------------- From: "ari" <aridamoulakis@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:23 PM To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Unified English Braille (UEB) was: Trust me with your change They're iimplementing the stupid thing here in South Africa, I can't stand the stuff. OK it makes room for technical symbols, but many contractions disappear and it's basically a bother at the way many symbols change, not to mention that most of us weren't even consulted in our dictatorial system where a small clique of people in a committee decide everything. Ari ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release Date: 5/27/2008 1:25 PM ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq