Thanks for forwarding that, wow!
It's great indeed to see such progress.
I'll forward that now to my Facebook group Irish Blind Media News.
On 16/01/2019 21:57, Colin@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
two articles from the VicugL group by Harry Brown of
Text exactly as he sent to the group, you may already know this but in case
not, here are his pieces.
Using windows 10, version 1809, on a desktop computer.
I'm still doing a review of Narrator.
I can say this though, guess what I just did? I just set up windows
speech recognition, just using? How about Narrator, not Jaws, not NVDA,
but Narrator, only!
That's the first thing.
Here's the 2nd thing, and this is big, because it has not been done with
earlier versions of Microsoft speech recognition. For the heck of it, in
Word Pad, I dictated a document, using Windows speech recognition, and
it got? How about 100%, that's right, 100%, and I had no corrections to
As a matter of fact, when I was done dictating the first few sentences,
I told it to go to the top of the document. Then, I told it to go to the
bottom of document, and then, I started dictating some more sentences
into the document, and, it still got 100% correct, with no correction
I could be wrong, but it sure looks like Microsoft has done some work
with Windows speech recognition. I wonder if they are trying to overtake
Dragon? But that is just an opinion, without any facts to back it up,
but they have done a wonderful job with the built in speech recognition
Well, it's taken me 4 days to do it, but I put Narrator through it's paces.
There are 50 things that they have done, that are fantastic. Now some of
them, were things that they already fixed, in past versions, but many,
were not, and they've done a great job, indeed, so far!!!
First, you'll see the 50 things, below, then, below that, I'm going to
mention 1 thing, but it's a big one, that they need to fix, as far as
reading documents is concerned.
Things that have been implemented:
1. They have made Narrator easy to exit, by just hitting windows key
enter, so that's great!!!
2. They changed the Narrator key from capslock to insert, and that is
3. They changed the time date command from capslock c to insert f12 key,
which is fantastic.
4. In the Narrator settings window, and everywhere else as well, in all
different programs, the shift tab command does work great, great job
5. In Narrator, you can press alt f4 to close a program, or, save a
document, so that's great!
6. They fixed it so when you press the letter e, it goes to the edit
field on a web page, which is fantastic!
7. You can now press the tab key on a web page, after typing what we
want in the edit field, to go to the search button, and that is great!
8. the insert f2 command is great!
9. They have given us very familiar commands such as:
control shift right arrow to select text, word by word.
shift right arrow to select text, letter by letter.
shift down arrow to select text, 1 line at a time.
h to go to the next heading.
shift h to go to the previous heading.
tab to go to the next link.
shift tab to go to the previous link.
10. the Narrator quick start window can be out of the way, by pressing
tab till it says don't show this again, and it's a checkbox, and you
check it with spacebar, which is fantastic!
11. You can read the window title with Narrator key and the letter t,
which is great!
12. It is wonderful that control stops Narrator from reading!
13. It is fantastic that insert down arrow begins reading from where you
are, to the end of the document or web page!
14. Narrator key w is fantastic for reading a window.
15. They have the commands to read by character, which is read next
character is right arrow, and read previous character is left arrow, and
that has been implemented, which is great.
16. They implemented the read next word command to control right arrow,
which is great!
17. They changed read previous word command to control left arrow, which
18. They changed read next line command to down arrow, which is great!
19. They changed read previous line command to up arrow, which is great!
20. They changed read next heading to h, which is great!
21. They changed read previous heading to shift h, which is great!
22. jump to next link is tab, and that has been implemented, and that is
23. jump to previous link is shift tab, and that has been implemented,
so that is great!!!!
24. They Fixed it to where Narrator says the word link before the name
of the link, and that is fantastic!
25. They fixed Narrator so when internet explorer is launched, that you
can press control o for the address bar so you can type in a web page
26. Fix control home so it goes to the top of a document, or, to the top
of a web page.
27. fix control end so it goes to the bottom of a document or web page.
28. They Fixed Narrator so you can open word pad, and start typing, and
not have to press any other keys, which is great.
29. They fixed Narrator to say the selected character when shift right
arrow is pressed, which is fantastic!
30. They fixed Narrator to speak words, when selecting words, when
control shift right arrow is pressed, which is fantastic!
31. They Fixed Narrator so it speaks selected text from where curser is
to the beginning of the line with shift home, and that is great!
32. Fix Narrator so it says the text from where the curser is to the end
of the line by pressing shift end, and that is fantastic!
33. They fixed Narrator so when you press home the 1st character at the
beginning of the line is spoken.
34. The key command Narrator key up arrow which reads the current line
of text is fantastic!
35. Narrator key 1 is the same command for keyboard help as in Jaws, but
Microsoft calls it input learning, which is fantastic! If you want to
turn it off, press Narrator key 1 again.
36. Narrator key f7 takes you to the link list, just like in Jaws, which
37. They fixed Narrator so you only have to press b to go to the next
button, and shift b to go to the previous button.
38. They fix Narrator so you only have to press c to go to the next
combobox and shift c to go back to the previous combobox, which is
39. They fixed Narrator so when you press Narrator key k twice quickly
that it will spell the current word, and that is fantastic!
40. They fixed Narrator so the home key takes you to the first character
in a line of text. You don't need to use the Narrator key at all for
this, and that is great!
41. They fixed Narrator to say letters phonetically,
such as alpha for a, bravo for b, charlie for c, and that is fantastic!
42. They fixed Narrator so it will say the top line of text in a
document window just by using control home, so that's great!
43. They fixed Narrator so it speaks the bottom line of text in a
document window by pressing control end, which is great!
44. They fixed Narrator so it says selected multiple items in a list
such as files control space bar
45. Narrator reads great in a list of files in a folder!
46. Alt f4 can now be used to close any program, or, any document
47. Users can now find key commands for Narrator, just by pressing
Narrator key f1 and a text box pops up. The User can type just a part of
a command name, if they cannot remember the entire name of the command.
For example, I typed the word read in the search box, and Narrator gave
me a list of all the read commands when I started to down arrow.
48. Narrator now lets the user choose how much punctuation that will be
spoken, by pressing a combination of keys!
49. Narrator now Has a verbosity setting, and it will allow the user to
increase or decrease verbosity!
50. Narrator now works with the calculator in Windows, which is fantastic!
Now, the 1 thing they desperately need to do, and that is, the lag time
when reading documents if you're using the down or up arrow key, is
terrible, about 1 second.
They need to really speed that up, and get rid of the lag time.
Now when you're down arrowing through the list of commands after you
press Narrator key f1, that is fantastic, no lag time at all, arrowing
through that list.
We'll see what happens, and I'm hopeful, Microsoft will do something
about it, and yes, I submitted a feedback to them about it.
As we all know, the Eloquence Reid voice has no lag, and that's the kind
of response they need. If someone's going to use Narrator, when at work,
or when they have time deadlines, and they have to read through
documents, line by line, and get it done, quickly, it's going to have to
be very fast.
There are more things needed, but I just focused on the first one that I
just mentioned. I wish Microsoft implemented the Reid voice into Windows.
However, the 1core voice is very nice sounding.
Also, by the way, Narrator now has, built into it, it's own feedback
hub, and when you're using Narrator, and you want to give a feedback
about Narrator, just press alt Narrator key f, and when I say Narrator
key, it is the insert key.
But they're goign in the right direction, and I hope someday, I'll be
able to send a message saying to everybody, Yours truly is using
Narrator for my full time screen reader, wouldn't that be wonderful,
huh? It will be wonderful when all of us Windows users can do that.
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