[access-uk] Re: Tor Project, was Betternet.

  • From: Les Smithson <lsmithso57@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 22:46:20 +0000


There was a recent news story that the EU were going to oblige the BBC
to allow licence payers access to iplayer no matter where in Europe
they were located. In this case if proof of a licence is required to
access iplayer then fair enough.

I have a UK based VM, on which I'm able to set up a squid
proxy. Theoretically this allows me to access iplayer when I
travel. Allegedly.

Alex Stone writes:

Amro, with you all the way here, I haven't found it necessary to do such
things yet, but once the government decide that we all have to prove we
have tv licenses in order to access BBC content, which it looks very
much like they're thinking of, then I may well choose to do something
similar.

On 29/11/2015 21:50, Amro Bilal wrote:
Hi Shaun,

Many thanks for this. Yes I understand, reading about how Tor
functions I wasn’t sure it would work for this purpose. If you’ve had
the chance to try and see how easy and accessible it is to root your
traffic through a chosen IP/server that would be good. Presently I
have my VPN subscription but don’t mind trying Tor if it can do what I
want.

And just so I don’t get replies on why it’s wrong to do this, I’m a TV
licence payer so I don’t see much harm in watching my favourite TV
programs when I’m on a holiday!

Best
Amro

-----Original Message----- From: Shaun O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:13 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Tor Project, was Betternet.


Amro

although tor is usefull for accessing blocked sites it relies on its
effectiveness by not relying on external pluggins, therefore it is
possible that tor may not be ideal for using with BBC iplayer ( i can
possibly test that out though on my tor bundle and see if it works.)
On 29/11/2015 19:44, Amro Bilal wrote:
Hi Shaun, a question about Tor please. Can this VPN service be used
to access sites that are locked to a geographical location? E.g. can
one use Tor to access BBC iPlayer whilst traveling abroad? I browsed
the Tor Project site but couldn’t find any mention of this. Thanks.

Amro

-----Original Message----- From: Shaun O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:43 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Betternet.


i'll research the ultrasonic stuff a bit and see what i find, there is
almost certainly a US patent on the technology.

As for putting your phone in a microwave oven that is for times when you
are NOT using it, fyi even if your phone is"off" the built in camera and
microphone can be remotely activated, so, don't leave yor mobile device
in the same place that you are likely to be holding a private
conversation.( or engaging in any other private activity that you dont
want used against you. however legitimate that activity may be).

Coming back to the altrasonic snooping the EFF web site might be a good
place to start looking.
On 29/11/2015 09:26, Les Smithson wrote:
How do I use my phone if its inside an oven?

What's that about ultrasonic snooping? Can you point me at a link?
Google didn't come up with anything, or maybe GCHQ got to them first.



Shaun O'Connor writes:
>
> two usefull tactice
> 1) put your phone in a faraday pouch when out and about(that
blocks rf
> both ways)
> 2) place your phone in a microwave oven and close the door(same
purpose
> blocks rf both ways), however in the second scenario make sure
you do
> NOT accidentally turn on your microwave with the phone still
inside.
>
> however in both instances ultrasonic technology can potentially
bypass
> this simple measure.(rumour has it that advertising companies are
> exploring this area in a bid to defeat ever increesingly
sophisticated
> ad blocking tech)
> On 28/11/2015 23:56, Alex Stone wrote:
> > Didn't Edward Snowdon reveal some of this stuff? I listened to
him
> > being interviewed on a podcast the other day, it was very
interesting,
> > just don't think that just because your phone is switched off
they
> > can't find anything out.
> >
> > On 28/11/2015 23:53, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
> >>
> >> It is already technically posible to unmask a persons identiy
even if
> >> anonymising sodftwere or services are used, as an example
the tor
> >> network has been penetrated and wrongdoers discovered and
appropriate
> >> action taken.
> >>
> >> to understand how unmasking is actually acheived would
require a book
> >> in itself to explain the possibilities so, to some extent the
> >> authorities" are already deeply embbedded in the system.
> >>
> >> by their nature most VPN services are compromised by virtue
of the
> >> fact tht a potential user is required to submit personal
information
> >> (either directly or indirectly) to the provider.
> >>
> >> however I'm only skimming the surface of how your identity
can be
> >> compromised.
> >>
> >> Turning to the legality of using such services it much
depends where
> >> you are operating from, currently it is NOT an offence to use
vpn
> >> seercies in the UK but this could change at any given moment.
the
> >> question that should be upper most on your mind is the
purpose for
> >> which you intend to use the service. and the changing political
> >> climate, todays acceptable use could be tomorrows "criminal"
activity.
> >> bear in mind also that your service provider can generally
determine
> >> if you are using a proxy service ( especially so called hidden
> >> services), and the very use of such services renders you as " a
> >> potential person of interest" to the authorities.
> >>
> >>> Greetings,
> >>>
> >>> My querie as to legality arose when I read about being able to
> >>> access sites
> >>> anonymously and hide identities.
> >>>
> >>> I wonder how much longer it will be before those in
authority find a
> >>> way of
> >>> stopping anonymous access of any kind?
> >>>
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