[access-uk] Re: Tor Project, was Betternet.

  • From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 22:39:08 +0000


out of principle i dont use BBC services long story so wont go into the ins and outs of it. as for configuring tor to poke a hole in the right place i dont think thats an easy option because by its nature tor is designed to use IP cloaking/randomization as its MO.

the way the BBC are behaving ( especially its licence revenue collectors/enforcers) raises sufficient questions to question the legallity of the licence fee.
On 29/11/2015 22:17, Alex Stone wrote:

Amro, with you all the way here, I haven't found it necessary to do such things yet, but once the government decide that we all have to prove we have tv licenses in order to access BBC content, which it looks very much like they're thinking of, then I may well choose to do something similar.

On 29/11/2015 21:50, Amro Bilal wrote:
Hi Shaun,

Many thanks for this. Yes I understand, reading about how Tor functions I wasn’t sure it would work for this purpose. If you’ve had the chance to try and see how easy and accessible it is to root your traffic through a chosen IP/server that would be good. Presently I have my VPN subscription but don’t mind trying Tor if it can do what I want.

And just so I don’t get replies on why it’s wrong to do this, I’m a TV licence payer so I don’t see much harm in watching my favourite TV programs when I’m on a holiday!

Best
Amro

-----Original Message----- From: Shaun O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:13 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Tor Project, was Betternet.


Amro

although tor is usefull for accessing blocked sites it relies on its
effectiveness by not relying on external pluggins, therefore it is
possible that tor may not be ideal for using with BBC iplayer ( i can
possibly test that out though on my tor bundle and see if it works.)
On 29/11/2015 19:44, Amro Bilal wrote:
Hi Shaun, a question about Tor please. Can this VPN service be used to access sites that are locked to a geographical location? E.g. can one use Tor to access BBC iPlayer whilst traveling abroad? I browsed the Tor Project site but couldn’t find any mention of this. Thanks.

Amro

-----Original Message----- From: Shaun O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:43 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Betternet.


i'll research the ultrasonic stuff a bit and see what i find, there is
almost certainly a US patent on the technology.

As for putting your phone in a microwave oven that is for times when you
are NOT using it, fyi even if your phone is"off" the built in camera and
microphone can be remotely activated, so, don't leave yor mobile device
in the same place that you are likely to be holding a private
conversation.( or engaging in any other private activity that you dont
want used against you. however legitimate that activity may be).

Coming back to the altrasonic snooping the EFF web site might be a good
place to start looking.
On 29/11/2015 09:26, Les Smithson wrote:
How do I use my phone if its inside an oven?

What's that about ultrasonic snooping? Can you point me at a link?
Google didn't come up with anything, or maybe GCHQ got to them first.



Shaun O'Connor writes:
>
> two usefull tactice
> 1) put your phone in a faraday pouch when out and about(that blocks rf
> both ways)
> 2) place your phone in a microwave oven and close the door(same purpose
> blocks rf both ways), however in the second scenario make sure you do
> NOT accidentally turn on your microwave with the phone still inside.
>
> however in both instances ultrasonic technology can potentially bypass
> this simple measure.(rumour has it that advertising companies are
> exploring this area in a bid to defeat ever increesingly sophisticated
> ad blocking tech)
> On 28/11/2015 23:56, Alex Stone wrote:
> > Didn't Edward Snowdon reveal some of this stuff? I listened to him
> > being interviewed on a podcast the other day, it was very interesting,
> > just don't think that just because your phone is switched off they
> > can't find anything out.
> >
> > On 28/11/2015 23:53, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
> >>
> >> It is already technically posible to unmask a persons identiy even if
> >> anonymising sodftwere or services are used, as an example the tor
> >> network has been penetrated and wrongdoers discovered and appropriate
> >> action taken.
> >>
> >> to understand how unmasking is actually acheived would require a book
> >> in itself to explain the possibilities so, to some extent the
> >> authorities" are already deeply embbedded in the system.
> >>
> >> by their nature most VPN services are compromised by virtue of the
> >> fact tht a potential user is required to submit personal information
> >> (either directly or indirectly) to the provider.
> >>
> >> however I'm only skimming the surface of how your identity can be
> >> compromised.
> >>
> >> Turning to the legality of using such services it much depends where
> >> you are operating from, currently it is NOT an offence to use vpn
> >> seercies in the UK but this could change at any given moment. the
> >> question that should be upper most on your mind is the purpose for
> >> which you intend to use the service. and the changing political
> >> climate, todays acceptable use could be tomorrows "criminal" activity.
> >> bear in mind also that your service provider can generally determine
> >> if you are using a proxy service ( especially so called hidden
> >> services), and the very use of such services renders you as " a
> >> potential person of interest" to the authorities.
> >>
> >>> Greetings,
> >>>
> >>> My querie as to legality arose when I read about being able to
> >>> access sites
> >>> anonymously and hide identities.
> >>>
> >>> I wonder how much longer it will be before those in authority find a
> >>> way of
> >>> stopping anonymous access of any kind?
> >>>
> >>>
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