Hi Clive
Pleasse read my message again.
They are allowing customers to choose, grade 1 or grade 2
Braille.
They are not allowing customers to choose, Braille on one side
or both sides of paper.
So why are you against choice?
Regards, Derek
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Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:44 PM
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: The meaning of: accessibility.
Hi Derek,
I'm with the RNIB on this one. Not only that but there could be
adverse impacts arising from having, say, grade 1 on one side of the
paper instead of grade 2 on both. For some people this would make the
bank statements so fat that they'd be more likely to have a printed
card through the door when Royal Mail can't deliver it and you're not
at home. If you are a fluent grade 2 braille reader, grade 1 can be
horrible to read, like wading through treacle. Finally, on the westion
of reasonable adjustments, if a comparable organisation can do for
their customers what your bank is quibbling about doing on grounds of
(it would not be a reasonable adjustment", their argument is, to say
the least, severely weakend. "If it's reasonable for them to do it,
why is it such a big deal for you?" and all that.
Hope this helps,
Clive
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Derek Hornby
Sent: 19 August 2015 16:32
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: The meaning of: accessibility.
Hi Clive
No problem I was able to read your message, below.
here is a quote of what the bank is telling me:
"We have agreed with our suppliers the physical format for all Braille
statements, and do not intend to offer choices in this.
Regardless
of the format of the statements, e.g. standard print, large print, or
braille, we do not offer a bespoke range of options for the look and
feel. This would not be reasonable or expected.
The availability of grade 2 Braille is a different type of option, not
comparable to paper size or putting Braille on both sides of the
paper."
My point is that given the fact they offer a choice, grade 1 oer
grade 2 braille, why can they not offer a choice braille on one
side, or both sides of the paper.
Assuming the bank is using RNIB for the braille statements, here
is what RNIB says:
"in the case of a bank statement, there is a direct feed in to our
from the bank or provider and we automatically produce the product
either send it to you or send it back to the provider. Your
information is secure in every sense to exacting guidelines."
So if the software allows for a choice, grade 1 or grade 2 surely
the same software can allow for braille on one side, or both
sides of paper.
I fidn it hard to believe such a a choice would cause high costs.
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:44 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: The meaning of: accessibility.
Hi Derek,
Hoping you can read this. If you say that the message comes to you as
blank, then please can someone else forward it off-list so you can
still read the message.
There is a good article on the difference between usability and
accessibility at:
http://www.apaddedcell.com/what-s-the-difference-between-usability-and
-accessibility.
A simple Google search on "What's the difference between usability and
accessibility" found it straight away. It seems to confirm the way
I've always perceived the difference between the two terms, which
would be:
Accessibility: Can I, my nan and my boss get all the information that
is to be had?
Usability: Ok, so we can get all the information that's available, but
can we get it without losing the will to live in the attempt. I've
seen sites where I could do everything I needed to do, but where
everything that could get in your way and slow you down gets in your
way and slows you down. A classic example is a survey which boldly
declared it should only take three minutes to complete, but because of
the over-complicated and cluttered page layouts and designs would be
three quarters of an hour of your life you will never see again.
You accessed all the information and did what you came to do, but at
the end of the process you wish you hadn't bothered.
Best,
Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Derek Hornby
Sent: 18 August 2015 20:21
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] The meaning of: accessibility.
Hi All
We often here about accessibility, but what does it really and truly
mean?
If one is able to access a web site, does that mean there is no
access problem, or does it depend on how easy it is to access the
web site.
If someone can use an iPhone does that mean there is no access
problems, even if the access is not so easy.
My bank offers its customers (the ones that use Braille)
a choice grade 1 or grade 2 Braille.
but if say customers wanted their Braille statements Braille on one
side of brailed page, this is not an option for choice.
Surely given fact grade 1 or grade 2 Braille is a choice, it should
not be difficult to program software to allow for a choice, braile
on both sides of page, on just one side.
Derek
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