Hi Steve, interesting, the one thing that wasn't mentioned about the KNFB reader was it's ability or not to read displays. You don't say how much the Sirerecognizer is, do you know and is there a web site for it? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Nutt To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: The SiRecogniser Hi Jackie, The difference between KNFB and SiRecognizer, it seems to me, is that SiRecognizer does more with objects. For example, KNFB will read papers, bills, labels, etc, as you say, but it has no settings that I know of for reading tins, jars, packets, digital displays, etc. Let me try to explain. If I scan a tin, and it reads some of the text, but not all of it, with KNFB, I would presumably have to swivel the tin and try again. That would be the only option. With Recognizer, I could certainly do that, but if it doesn't get the text, I can hit the "Cylinder" button, and it would rotate the image it had already scanned until it got some text. It is not always perfect, but you have the option. Again, if I am scanning a digital display, and I don't get good results, I just hit the "Display" button, and it optimises the scan for digital displays and rescans the image. Finally, it has something called Steps. This is all this stuff put together. You can have Recognizer automatically go through the steps one at a time, or you can hit the steps button and go through one step, evaluate the results, then go through step 2, etc. It has nine different steps from rotating the image, to converting it to black/white, etc, to obtain results. You also have control of the flash on the camera, you can turn it on and off, if you know the lighting conditions. In short then, from what I have gathered about KNFB, and I certainly don't have one, so Jackie please correct me if I am wrong, you don't have so much control over the processing of the image, as you do with SiRecognizer. Yes, you can use SiRecognizer just like KNFB, and just scan stuff, but once you get to know it, the steps and the different methods of analysis of the image, really do come in handy. Finally, because SiRecognizer is similar to KNFB on the PDA, except that the camera is not attached, as cameras get better, it is easy to just change the camera for a better one, without having to live without SiRecognizer by sending it back for an upgrade. The camera is just a USB device. The down side to it is that there is the wire between the two units. I hope this helps. All the best Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: Monday 4 February 2008 10:36 To: Access UK Mailing List Subject: [access-uk] The SiRecogniser I am directing this message at Steve, who I understand is the dealer for the alternative portable reader, the SiRecogniser. Steve old boy, could you please give us some information about this machine as an alternative to the K-NFB Reader and soon-to-be launched phone version? Like many, no doubt, I know nothing about the SiRecogniser, except that it can read displays etc as well as printed text. I thought that rather than Emailing you privately for information, it would be nice to share some stuff about it with the list as a whole since this has been an interesting topic for several days, and making it a level playing field. Thanks. Jackie Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx Skype Name: Cairnsplace