Hi Eleanor I don't want to get into a big debate about what happened as only RNIB themselves can and probably will make a statement about it. And Tris has made some valid points about them wanting to perhaps stick to a smaller player than go with one of the bigger outfits. But many of us are members of RNIB and, therefore, do have some right to ponder and even the need to know what they have spent that amount of money on. That doesn't detract from what the collaboration between RNIB and TVonics has produced though. It is a really good product, and I find it very useful. I don't record a lot, but the EPG is helpful, and the ability to ascertain what channel you are on and the programme being shown make it so much more accessible. It's very unfortunate this has happened, and I hope everyone who wants one will get a TVonics before they disappear. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 21 June 2012 09:27 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: TVonics in administration Absolutely Jackie and sorry for my numerical mistake when I said 1.5 million instead of 1.7 million -----Original message----- From: Jackie Cairns Sent: 21/06/2012, 9:22 am To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: TVonics in administration I thought I read £1.7m, but it seemed too fanciful. I'm not bashing RNIB, but I can't understand why they collaborated with this company when it had already been in administration if what I have read is correct? Surely anybody worth their savvy would have checked out the legalities before entering into such a costly venture. If they worked with Goodmans on a Freeview box with speech, I wonder why it wasn't possible for them to enhance that setup by producing the same HDD box that TVonics has produced? Then there is Panasonic with its TVs that incorporate speech. I wonder why RNIB, if they assisted in this development, couldn't have negotiated further to produce the said Freeview recorder? I know it's never that simple, and perhaps Panasonic and Goodmans wanted too much money, or weren't prepared to go down that road for whatever reason. But it begs the questions don't you think people? Just my tuppence. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jonathan H Sent: 20 June 2012 18:10 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: TVonics in administration On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Eleanor Burke <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I think that RNIB who have invested 1.5 million should give us an > up-to-date statement. As I recall when the recorder came on the > market and was being discussed on this list, someone from RNIB did > send a mail to this list all about this 1.5 million invested. I have it here and have copied the relevant parts below. £1.7 MILLION is a helluva lot, even at the £200 per hour they say they pay their consultants, that's 4 consultants at £200 per hour working 8 hour days for an entire year on this. So, yes, I'm as keen as anyone to know what this library looks like. Anyway, here's the email: From: "Long, Alison" <Alison.Long@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 2:22 PM Tvonics have been supported by RNIB financially and with other expertise to deliver what they have; RNIB invested 1.7 million pounds in the delivery of a technical library. This we did after establishing that the industry believed what we were asking for was completely impossible, technically not viable, and we had exhausted discussions with Europe and government with regard to funding. 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