[access-uk] Subjects and Threads.
- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:14:45 +0100
Hi Justin,
I can understand your confusion, so let me try to explain.
I have simply replied to your message, but you will notice
that I have changed the Subject.
In spite of this, the original "Thread" ([access-uk] Re:
Moderators request once more: Subject naming) remains in
the message headers which you do not normally see.
I have done this because the new Subject, "Subjects and
Threads", is relevant to the conversation. Therefore many
members who sort by conversation will find this message in
the same Thread, even though the subject has changed.
Now if I had used this message and changed the Subject to
something completely different, for example, "BookCourier
and Audible.com", the message would be grouped with the
"Moderators request......" messages, which clearly is out of
place.
George.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Justin R
> Sent: 06 September 2005 09:21
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators request once more:
Subject naming
>
> Hi,
>
> So just to clarify here, as I'm now getting very confused.
>
> When we reply to a subject and we happen to change the
> subject when writing our e-mails, instead of sending that
> reply, adding it to the thread, we just open a brand new
> thread/conversation and post our thoughts there?
>
> Thanks, The more I read, the more I'm starting to lose
the
> point of the original request. <smile>
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Justin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:58 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators request once more:
Subject naming
>
>
> > Thank you, Roger. If only YOU understand my message, it
> > will have been worth it.
> >
> > George.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of roger
south
> >> Sent: 05 September 2005 21:35
> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators request once more:
> > Subject naming
> >>
> >> Hi George and Barry
> >>
> >> I've always wondered what Conversation actually meant
in
> >> email context. Now after reading the posts today I not
> > only
> >> know but also know how guilty I've been for doing
exactly
> >> what I'm not supposed to do. I'll remember and in
future
> >> instead of changing the subject line as I always do
I'll
> > be a
> >> good boy and start a new post.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >> You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:50 PM
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators request once more:
> > Subject naming
> >>
> >>
> >> > For the benefit of those who are wondering what this
> > thread
> >> > is all about, (and some of those who do) let my try
to
> >> > explain. Andrew has mentioned some of what follows,
but
> > I
> >> > feel that perhaps a simpler explanation might help.
> >> >
> >> > (And sorry if this is a long message, but I too have
> > learned
> >> > a few new things today about how to manage mail from
> > e-mail
> >> > lists.)
> >> >
> >> > Most e-mail software packages these days allow you to
> > sort
> >> > messages in one way or another. This might, for
> > example, be
> >> > by date received or by sender.
> >> >
> >> > However, there are two specific sorting methods which
> > are of
> >> > concern here, Subject and what is called either,
> > "Thread"
> >> > or, "Conversation".
> >> >
> >> > So how do these two work?
> >> >
> >> > When you send a completely new message to the list,
you
> >> > (hopefully) include a meaningful Subject.
> >> >
> >> > If someone replies to your message, many (but not
all)
> >> > e-mail systems will add additional information to the
> > reply
> >> > called a, "Thread-Topic" to the bit of the message
you
> > do
> >> > not usually see, called the "Header". This is
normally
> >> > whatever was in the Subject line of the new message
you
> >> > sent.
> >> >
> >> > Once this, "Thread-Topic" Header has been added to a
> >> > message, it essentially CANNOT be changed when you
reply
> > to
> >> > that message - at least not easily.
> >> >
> >> > Someone may change the SUBJECT in a reply to a
message,
> > but
> >> > that "Thread-Topic" will stay the same.
> >> >
> >> > Now in Outlook for example, one of the sorting
options
> > is
> >> > "Conversation", and it is actually the,
"Thread-Topic"
> > which
> >> > is used to sort messages.
> >> >
> >> > But Outlook also includes a sort by, "Subject".
> >> >
> >> > So why have these two sorts, "Subject" and
> > "Conversation" or
> >> > "Thread"?
> >> >
> >> > I'm afraid it's one of these things that was probably
> >> > decided by Internet boffins way back.
> >> >
> >> > Let's say you start a new conversation or thread,
> >> > "Supermarket Web Pages", asking if anyone has any
views
> > on
> >> > them.
> >> >
> >> > One person might reply, and leave the Subject as is.
> >> >
> >> > Someone else might reply, and change the subject to,
> >> > "Tesco's Web Site".
> >> >
> >> > Another may reply, and change the subject to,
> > "Morrison's
> >> > Web Site".
> >> >
> >> > If you have your mail sorted by Conversation or
Thread,
> > all
> >> > four messages above will be grouped together.
> >> >
> >> > If you have your messages sorted by Subject, you will
> > get
> >> > THREE groups of messages.
> >> >
> >> > Are you following me so far?
> >> >
> >> > So then I jump in, and reply to ANY of the above
> > messages,
> >> > and change the subject to, shall we say, "Internet
> > Banking".
> >> >
> >> > That's fine for those who have sorted by Subject, but
> > for
> >> > those who have sorted by Conversation, or Thread,
they
> > now
> >> > find a message about "Internet Banking" in amongst
the
> >> > "Supermarket Web Pages" messages.
> >> >
> >> > So the bottom line is that we are asking, as nicely
as
> >> > possible, if you would spare a minute to think about
> > this
> >> > when you are posting to the list.
> >> >
> >> > Are you really replying to the Subject, or are you
> > starting
> >> > a new conversation or thread? If it's NEW, please
hit
> > the
> >> > NEW button instead of REPLY.
> >> >
> >> > If you have got this far - thank you.
> >> >
> >> > If you have any specific questions, I'll try to
answer
> > them
> >> > as best I can.
> >> >
> >> > George bell.
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