[access-uk] Re: Speech Recognition program
- From: "Ray Hazan" <raymond@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:24:09 -0000
Brian,
I am not going to pretend that using Jaws and Dragon by themselves is a
substitute for all the hard work you and others have put in. However, 3
points in response to your detailed reply:
1. I got Dragon up to 97% comprehension simply using headphones and Jaws
cursor going through the brief initial training.
2. I get Jaws to read back by simply saying 'select all', line, paragraph,
etc.
3. By switching on the beep in options, Dragon beeps every time something
is understood. so, if you say 'wake up' you will hear a beep and know the
microphone is on. Not perfect, but better than nothing. Similarly, as you
dictate, you hear beeps. When I type, I don't want to hear each word as I
key. I wait until the end then go back and edit. Why do you necessarily
want to hear Dragon repeat each phrase all the time? It's a matter of
preference.
I cannot emphasize enough, that using Jaws and Dragon without any additional
programme is is mainly for simple dictation and limited PC control by voice
and in no way replaces I-say for efficiency and full use of speech
recognition.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Speech Recognition program
> Hi
>
> I've stayed out of this for fairly obvious reasons I think. However the
> question was asked whether anyone had tested Dragon with JAWS alone,
> without
> any additional technologies.
>
> It has been very necessary for me to test JAWS with Dragon alone, and
> accepting for the moment that you were able to train the software so that
> the voice profile was at its best, (I suggest this is not possible unless
> you use Braille, certainly not to the standard I would like), and assuming
> you just wanted to use Dragon for dictation and not computer control, I
> would suggest the following points are noteworthy:
>
> 1. JAWS does not by default give audible feedback of what has been
> dictated.
> It is necessary to review the text after the event. This is one of the
> primary functions of additional technology such as J-Say which echoes back
> the dictation when you pause, thereby allowing for immediate corrections
> to
> be made.
>
> 2. There is no audible confirmation of the microphone condition, I.E.
> whether it is switched on or off.
>
> 3. While you can correct text with the keyboard, Dragon does not really
> learn by doing this. Optimum results are achieved by using the correction
> facility, (where Dragon will store a snapshot of how you say a word or
> phrase in its archive), or with J-Say using a facility called "My Words".
> This allows you to easily enter commonly used words and phrases, or indeed
> a
> seeing friend or family member could help with this. Just by using JAWS
> alone, access to the correction box, while just about usable, is somewhat
> primitive and
> JAWS delivers lots of extraneous speech you do not need.
>
> 4. The Microsoft Word spell check is of very limited value indeed.
> Clearly,
> every word which Dragon understands will be a complete word. The meaning
> may not be as you intend it to be, although the accuracy is almost perfect
> with a Dragon V9 profile which has been trained correctly in the first
> instance, but you will get complete words in the document. Therefore, the
> Word spell check facility is unlikely to flag up words which are
> misspelled
> because there will not be many of them.
>
> 5. It was suggested that correcting text segments could be somewhat
> tiresome
> and laborious using the human voice. This undoubtedly is the case if JAWS
> is used with Dragon alone, but is certainly not the case with additional
> technology.
>
> Now let me address the question of Hal and Supernova with Dragon.
>
> Steve Nutt is correct in saying that there used to be a product entitled
> NovaLink, which did provide the necessary audible feedback so that one
> could
> use the less expensive dragon products with Hal or Supernova. This
> product
> has been discontinued, because, as we have publicly said, the market
> frankly is dictating that this kind of product is not what people want.
> As
> a company, we are actively investigating the possibility of producing a
> product for Hal or Supernova which gives complete hands free control of
> the
> computer and which, in addition, delivers natural speech output. There is
> no point in talking to the computer naturally if you are just going to
> receive unnecessary or irrelevant speech back. The language which you
> receive back must also be natural.
>
> At the moment, it would appear that Hal and Supernova do not contain all
> the
> capabilities which we would like them to have in terms of configuration.
> However, Dolphin are actively working with us to hopefully resolve these
> issues.
>
> I hope that clarifies things a little. As Terry has suggested, it is very
> likely that Windows Vista's speech recognition facility will, in time,
> provide voice recognition capabilities to those people who purely want the
> ability to dictate text and, being it is bundled with the operating
> system,
> seems very attractive. For technical reasons
> however, which I shall not go into right now, even this still has some way
> to go in terms of development. I would draw your attention to the
> Knowbrainer voice recognition forum at
> www.knowbrainer.com
> which I view on almost a daily basis, which has discussed this speech
> engine
> in great detail. Searching through the archives will deliver such
> information to you.
>
> If I can assist further in this area, please feel free to let me know.
>
>
> Brian Hartgen
>
> MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
> SKYPE: brianhartgen
> SKYPE IN UK: 0208-133-7186
> SKYPE IN US: 213-985-3581
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Hazan" <raymond@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:42 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Speech Recognition program
>
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> What I mean is you use both speech recognition and the keyboard. Whilst
>> you
>> can edit by using your voice, it is a long and sometimes frustrating
>> business and much quicker to correct via the keyboard. Of curse, you can
>> still run your spell checker. You just tell the voice recognition to
>> turn
>> the microphone off at any time.
>>
>> I use Dragon Naturally Preferred version 7 and can only refer to Terry's
>> experience with version 9, but has anyone tried it with just Jaws?
>>
>> Ray
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "andrew shipp" <andrew-shipp4@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:38 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Speech Recognition program
>>
>>
>>> Hi Ray, I think I see what you are saying here, but what do you mean
>>> by
>>> editing by the keyboard? is it very hard to use? can I use the spell
>>> checker within word for spelling corrections? thanks for your help on
>>> this,
>>> your help is greatly appreciated.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray Hazan" <raymond@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:15 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Speech Recognition program
>>>
>>>
>>>> Andrew,
>>>>
>>>> It is possible to run Dragon and Jaws together without resorting to
>>>> I-say.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, facilities compared with what you can do with I-say are reduced,
>>>> hut
>>>> if
>>>> you want to get away from keying lots of text then a standard version
>>>> of
>>>> Dragon will suffice. You will also need to edit on the keyboard to
>>>> save
>>>> much time, so, to repeat myself, it would purely be a means of simple
>>>> dictation.
>>>>
>>>> I am totally blind and was able to 'train' Dragon without any outside
>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Andrew shipp" <andrew-shipp4@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "access-uk" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:19 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Speech Recognition program
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all, I wonder if someone could give me more info regarding the
>>>>> Dragon
>>>>> Speech Recognition program, like is it screen reader friendly? and
>>>>> which
>>>>> is
>>>>> the best one to get?.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew Shipp
>>>>>
>>>>> Located Northampton Northamptonshire UK
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