Hi John, That is sometimes easier than others, because some menus have very fancy writing, but in general, both readers should have absolutely no problem with those. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john coley Sent: Tuesday 22 July 2008 18:13 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village Another suggestion would be a restaurant or take away menu. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village > OK. I vote you both try the same items and we'll suggest them on list - > perhaps 10 in all - and see what you come up with! > > What about something which is produced in very small print, a Cola bottle > or something that has fancy writing and maybe a bus timetable which you > could both try (one sending to the other). I can't list exact items so > hopefully someone can enlarge on this. > > That's as far as my brain goes in this hot weather! > > -- > Carol > carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > On Monday, July 21, 2008 11:40 PM (UK time), access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx at > access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx said: > >> O.K. guys. >> >> As they say, "Put your money where your mouth is." >> >> We've had the battle of the screen readers. Now we have >> something else to battle out. >> >> I know who my money's on. >> >> The book's open guys! >> >> Darren - you're the betting man - wanna take it on? >> >> George. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt >> Sent: 21 July 2008 21:44 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village >> >> Hi Jackie, >> >> Just one comment, I too can take the mini PC to the kitchen. >> You haven't seen it yet, even now, though I have given you >> the offer of demos <Smile>. >> I still reckon the battle of the readers would be fun. >> >> All the best >> >> STeve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >> Sent: Monday 21 July 2008 08:45 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village >> >> Hi Steve >> >> I've used it for lots of different things. I've got names >> off medication packets to differentiate them, and whether >> I'm opening beans or spaghetti! I agree some of it is tricky >> to do, but it isn't impossible if you are on your own and >> need the information. And Steve me boy, it also means I can >> take the phone into my kitchen and raid the cupboards, not >> have to cart the produce to the scanner!!!! (smile). >> >> Jackie Cairns >> >> Braille Support Adviser >> >> Email: Jackie.Cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd >> >> Welton House North Wing >> >> Summerhouse Road >> >> Moulton Park >> >> Northampton >> >> NN3 6WD >> >> Telephone: 0845 6347979 >> >> or >> >> Telephone: 01604 798070 >> >> Fax: 01604 798090 >> >> Web: www.sightandsound.co.uk >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt >> Sent: 20 July 2008 23:29 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village >> >> Hi Jackie, >> >> But will K Reader read round corners, like cylinders, >> bottles, etc? I am genuinely interested, since all I have >> read about it says that it is designed to read text from >> paper rather than objects. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >> Sent: Sunday 20 July 2008 21:27 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village >> >> Hi Steve >> >> What you do with K-Reader is scan the page again. I go by >> the degrees relative to the page when I scan. The lower the >> number, usually the better I've done in taking a picture. >> You can use the View Report Field, but personally I just >> shoot and shoot again if necessary. I think it's absolutely >> fab to be able to have something so portable in my pocket. >> TALKS >> >> on the phone, reading software, GPS, MP3 player with full >> track access? >> Blimey it's awesome!! Never having seen the SiRecogniser, I >> wouldn't doubt you for a single minute, but it has a lot of >> clobber to it that is cumbersome at the moment. As you say, >> "at the moment". >> >> Jackie >> >> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx >> Skype Name: Cairnsplace >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:58 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village >> >> >>> Hi Orhan, >>> >>> Basically, to be fair, the main difference is that you >> have far more >>> control of the camera with SiRecognizer. For example, if >> you are >>> scanning a tin and you don't get good results, you can >> invert the >>> video, you can tell Recognizer that you are scanning something >>> cylindrical, and there are all kinds of pre-filters you >> can try to get >>> better results. K-Reader is a kind of snap it and see solution. It >>> works well, but if you don't get a good scan, you don't >> have much >>> control to improve on it. >>> >>> I am sure Jackie will correct me about that if I am wrong, but there >>> are nine pre-filter steps you can go through with >> Recognizer to >>> improve the results, and it has three built-in scanning engines, >>> which is why it is not on a phone yet. Too much grunt on the >>> processor would be required. >>> Recognizer is undoubtedly the best reading solution for objects out >>> there, but it is certainly not as portable. >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>> Behalf Of orhan deniz >>> Sent: Saturday 19 July 2008 10:15 >>> To: Steve Nutt >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village >>> >>> Hi Steve, >>> What is the difference of this thing compared to the KNFB reader? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Orhan. >>> -- >>> Orhan Deniz. >>> E-mail: >>> orhan.deniz63@xxxxxxxxx >>> MSN/Windows Live ID: >>> orhan1793@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Skype: >>> orhan.deniz63 >>> Blog: >>> http://worldandother.wordpress.com >>> Twitter: >>> http://www.twitter.com/kvp2008 >>> Last.fm! Profile: >>> http://last.fm/user/orhandeniz1993 >>> On Friday, 18 July 2008 8:16:24 PM, Steve Nutt Wrote: >>>> Hi Jackie, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Course, you didn?t see the most interesting product, SiRecognizer >>>> <Smile>. >>>> It?s like K Reader, but it works <Smile>. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> All the best >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Steve >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _____ >>> >>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>>> Behalf >>> Of >>>> Jackie Cairns >>>> Sent: Friday 18 July 2008 07:44 >>>> To: Access UK Mailing List >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Sight Village >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi All >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Can I just thank all those who came to say hello at Sight Village >>>> this >>> week. >>>> It was lovely to put voices to some very familiar names on the >>>> list. >>>> >>> >>>> I didn't get much of a chance to wander around because of strutting >>>> my >>> stuff >>>> on the Sight and Sound stand, but I did have enough time >> to pop over >>>> to >>> the >>>> Cobolt stand, and look at their new ITell gadget. For anyone who >>>> doesn't know about this, it is a small device that plugs into the >>>> bottom of an >>> Ipod >>>> that enables us mortals with little or no sight to use the Ipod >>>> with speech. I thought this was a really interesting gadget. It >> doesn't work on >>>> either the Shuffle or Itouch, but all the other models >> seem to >>>> support it. The only thing that concerns me, however, is how one >>>> would transfer material from their PC to the Ipod if >> Itunes software >>>> isn't accessible. Perhaps >>> some >>>> who do this already would like to elaborate as it might potentially >>>> be a stumbling block. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The ITell retails at £59.95 I believe, but I thought it >> was the most >>>> interesting gadget other than the K-Reader phone, of course! >>>> (smile). >>>> >>> >>>> Anyone else see anything interesting and "different" this year? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Jackie >>> >>> >>>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx >>>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace >>> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** >> [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the 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