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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Barry Hill (Redacted sender "barry.hill3" for DMARC)
Sent: 10 October 2015 11:57
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Self-defence classes, was Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT
There was an organisation touring the UK a few of years ago giving self-defence
classes to VI people, but it was only for a certain period of time. Damon Rose
of the BBC wrote about it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18548681
I'm going to look into it locally with a ju jitsu school near me.
Cheers
Barry
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Janet Bell
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 8:29 PM
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT
Hi Mike
I asked the rnib about 15 years or so ago if there were any defence classes
anywhere in the country. The reply I got may astonish you they said why would
a blind person want to do defence classes. Well unfortunately it never
happened.
Janet
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From: Michael Moore
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 8:15 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT
I am a trained self defence instructor.... I had to travel to London twice.
On both occasions the RNIB were not interested in spreading the word about the
course, directed at disabled and those who felt vulnernable. I guess it is like
you say, to show everyone what we are capable of, would diminish their power to
collect revenue. I remember the digital display in London stating that to the
date I visited, £75 million had been generated in contributions. Yet they would
not provide VI people with the ability to take care of themselves if attacked.
Mike
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Angel (Redacted sender "angel238" for DMARC)
Sent: 09 October 2015 18:40
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT
We can not accept assistance from anyone, who doesn't bother to wait to
determine whether through action or word, we demonstrate the need for such
assistance. Because there are those in this world who will take advantage of
our acceptance to mug us. I can tell you this from personal experience.
Further, if organizations who are suppose to be assisting us blind consumers,
and the sighted public to understand we are fully capable people Don't do more
themselves to cause the public generally to believe in our capabilities, I
don't feel the need to do so. I heard once an advertisement for the United
Negro College Fund, whose job is to get funding for black College students. It
showed a black young woman who was doing all sorts of things, from working, to
going to school, to raising children at the same time in her life. It ended by
saying something to the effect that, if she was willing to attempt to
accomplish so many things simultaneously, shouldn't we be willing to assist her
with the accomplishment of her dreams.
The advertisement ended with the UNCF slogan: "A mind is a terrible thing to
waste". At no time in the UNCF history, that I am aware, has that organization
attempted to portray black people as being helpless, pathetic people. Why is
it we blind people are so lacking in employment. When we clearly are the most
capable of all minority groups per capita. It is because the charities which
are suppose to help us are afraid, if we were shown to be capable productive
citizens, with the assistance of hands up, rather than hands out, they won't
get funding for their projects. I heard just a few days ago an old U.S
television show. Where a physically challenged person was the villain of the
show. At the end of the show, he asked what else could be expected of him, but
to make his money in a nefarious way. The law enforcement officer answered:
You could have become the president of the United States, Obviously referring
to the late President Roosevelt. So it is more profit
able for them to continue the myth that we are helpless, frightened people.
Perhaps, if the sighted public understood this, they would, in turn, be less
afraid of blindness themselves.
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From: "Mike Ray" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 10:33 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT
might.
I'm sorry but all of you need to give members of the sighted public
around you a break. They are asking stuff like "can you see a bit",
because to them the idea of going blind is a terrifying prospect. And
they say stuff like "how do you get on the right bus" because they are
astonished at your independence and doubt their own resolve to be so
if they were to suffer sight loss.
Just like thin folks who stare at us fatties, who do so because of
their own morbid fear of being thought of as 'fat', sighted folks fear
blindness and don't understand it.
I would certainly NEVER refuse help in the street or be rude when
somebody states the bloody obvious like "you're walking towards a
wall", because, I might not need help, but the next blind person along
And if I'm rude, that sighted person might not help the next person.a job.
Sadly the RNIB and Guide Dogs are suffering a common problem of modern
times; they are run by suits who "know the price of everything and the
value of nothing".
And if somebody talks to you on the train or the bus, even if they are
spouting rubbish, at least they are talking. We live in a society now
where most of us, blind or sighted, go through our outside life in
silent isolation, making and seeking no eye-contact, words like 'hello'
and 'hi' which cost nothing and make a massive difference.
The RNIB are using ads like the ones mentioned to try to raise money
from people who are themselves terrified of losing their sight.
That's why they use the emotive things they do. Although I can see
how it might be seen as a negative by someone who has lived for a long
time with reduced vision, or total blindness, but if it persuades a
few people to cough up a few quid then fine. They can use me if they
like because I have no hesitation in being plain about how total
blindness often leaves me wishing I wouldn't wake up tomorrow. Mostly
because nobody takes any notice of me when I say I can still write
code that will leave most sighted school-leavers standing, but I can't
get
with something like this.
Mike
On 09/10/2015 14:28, john gallagher wrote:
hi janet strangely when i got in to the leeds station today a dog
tried to get to zarah and it was someone with a training dog maybe
aben drury but of course they never speak to us or anything but, like
ian says all this from a charity that years ago fought of us like
hell campained for things to be bejter for us people have been on
committees spending hours fighting for our rights and now they come
out
"""q"ea"J""""zX"""+"""{ay+??"com?)?inin^"{.n"+????"com""""\"i"""ea""Z"""j""jthe public are very gullable and believe all this rubbish.
in sheffield people used to ask me how i got on the right bus and i
told them the dog could read the numbers and you know they believed it.
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From: Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 9 October 2015 2:22 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT
Hi John
I just despair of these people and you are right you tell guide dogs
things and no notice is taken whatsoever because totally blind
people are in a minority they are just left on the shelf to
disappear.
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From: john gallagher
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 2:17 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT
hi janet well i am certainly not going to pay for the rubbish over
drive set up sad really but to me like the guide dogs the people at
the top never discuss anything with us at the bottom so to speak.
also on the train today someone was adamant i could see are you
parttly sighted she kept asking it just felt as though i had landed
from outer space.
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From: Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 9 October 2015 1:59 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT
Hi Ian
I don't know if you read this newspaper but last week in the daily
mirror there was an article about an American woman who wanted to
go blind which infuriated me about as much as what you have written
has. There was also an advert about fifteen years ago done by
action for blind people that made us look totally helpless which
annoyed me as well. I don't buy the rnib's products as I think
they are poor quality most of the time. and when my year's
subscription is up I don't think I will renew it either.
Janet ps there are still letters at the bottom of your messages.
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From: Ian Macrae
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 1:52 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT
I am seriously considering boycotting what few RNIB products and
services I use — chiefly the electronic newspaper service — in
response to their latest ad campaign. There has been an item on
this at the end of today's edition of WATO. Celebs including
Barbara Windsor and Shirley Bassey are presented talking about the
idea of being told they're going blind. Bassey describes that
possibility as being "Devastating" and says she might as well be
told that she's going to die. Once again they have turned my
impairment into a thing of terror and me into an object of pity and
I've had enough of
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