[access-uk] Re: Samsung NC10 keyboard oddities explained (was: Re: Re: What netbook to Buy
- From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:51:48 -0000
Control A, huh? I hadn't thought about using this in a web form.
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Karl Proud
Sent: 20 March 2009 08:48
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Samsung NC10 keyboard oddities explained (was:
Re: Re: What netbook to Buy
Of course, you could do it this way...
Lets say I was obsessed with Damon Rose's posts on the internet...
When I finally decide to get a life of my own I drop back into the
google edit box and simply press control plus A to select all and start
over typing with something more constructive, lets say - "clay pigeon
shooting", or something.
I've had a Toshiba laptop for a couple of years with a slightly
non-standard keyboard and have never quite sorted out comfortably using
the right hand side of it.
Cheers
Karl
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From: "Damon" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:07 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Samsung NC10 keyboard oddities explained (was:
Re:
Re: What netbook to Buy
Just adding an example I should've put in the last post. Simple tasks
can be
rendered quite complex with the Samsung NC10 at the beginning of your
learning process. It's very different to standard qwerty keyboards.
Using basic Google searches can suddenly be made quite complex.
If you are in the search box on Google, using your Samsung NC10, and you
want to delete the search terms you've typed in, this is what may happen
(based on how I use my keyboard)
Lets say I've egotistically been searching for posts I've previously
made to
Access UK. I might type the following search term into google: 'damon
rose
access uk list jaws for windows'
If I then decide I want to delete my search term and look for some pages
about bananas instead, using a standard qwerty keyboard I would go to
the
beginning of the field by typing control + home. I would then type shift
+
end in order to highlight everything in the box. I would then hit the
delete
key to get rid of what I've just highlighted, leaving an empty search
box. I
would then type bananas instead before hitting enter to do my search.
On an NC10 keyboard, however, you have to do the following.
You'd go to the Google home page. In the search box you'd type 'damon
rose
access uk list jaws for windows'.
You then decide you want to delete this so need to highlight it and
press
the delete key. To get to the beginning of the box where you can start
that
highlighting, you will need to type control + function key + pageup.
Then in
order to highlight all the keywords you would then type control +
function
key + pagedown before hitting the delete key to get rid of it all and
then
typing bananas in to replace the unwanted search term.
Hope this was a useful example. And you can see here that this is a
basic
day to day task now made quite a bit more complex.
It's possible that other people have a better way of doing what I've
just
suggested above. Anyone?
...Damon
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From: "Damon" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:49 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Samsung NC10 keyboard oddities explained (was: Re:
Re:
What netbook to Buy
> If it hasn't been explained here, I think it's useful to point out
that
> the Samsung NC10 has a slightly non standard keyboard that you have to
get
> your head around. That said, it doesn't take a lot of learning.
>
> I'm gonna lay out the situation in detail below to help you choose
which
> Netbook you might want to buy. One big issue for blind people is that,
if
> we purchase on the internet, we can't do simple obvious stuff like
look at
> keyboards to get a basic idea if we might like it or not. And to me,
> keyboards are strangely fundamental and your high spec 160 gig hard
drive
> might pale into insignificance if you can't type on it very easily.
>
> The two big issues with it are:
>
> 1: There are no home and end keys. What you have to do is hit a
function
> key and then hold down either pageup for home or pagedown for end. The
> function key is situated on the left hand side of the keyboard near
the
> control key which is in the place you'd expect it to be. The pageup
and
> pagedown keys are situated in an unusual place, above the left and
right
> arrows respectively, on the right hand side in the place you'd expect
to
> find arrow keys (pageup is directly above the left arrow, pagedown is
> above the right arrow, with no space in between, it's all keys laid
out
> flat)
>
> I have an NC10 and, since using it, have realised just how much I rely
on
> the home and end keys in day to day use, especially in word processing
and
> using web forms. so it has been a learning curve. And when I use my
> regular keyboard at work, I now find myself hunting for the function
key
> ... so it screws with your head. Be warned if your memory is not so
good
> or if you hate slightly fiddly stuff.
>
> 2: The right hand shift button is not in a regular place. So, when you
jab
> quickly at where you think it should be using the little finger on
your
> right hand, you'll find that you hit the backslash key. The right hand
> shift key is a little further over to the right meaning you have to
start
> thinking about extending that little finger in an abnormal position
away
> from those learned home keys in order to do such things as type a
capital
> A or T or E or S, for instance (i.e. letters you would traditionally
type
> using your left hand from the classic home key position) And i'ts a
little
> more fiddly than you'd think as I find myself extending the finger and
> also slightly twisting it to get to that right hand shift. For a fast
> typer I find this annoying and it slows me down and makes me think
harder.
>
> Other than this, the NC10 is absolutely superb. So go and buy one now.
It
> has a pretty normal sized keyboard so you can get up to good speeds
> without half breaking your fingers or hitting two keys at once.
>
> I'm not sure what keyboard configurations are like on other Netbooks.
Can
> anyone report back? Are others more standard or less standard than the
> Samsung NC10
>
> ...Damon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Sweeney" <tonysweeney@xxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: What netbook to Buy
>
>
>> Hi Eleanor,
>>
>> Netbooks don't come with CD drives!
>>
>> There are compact as getting a lot in to a small space if u get
might
>> drift is the idea!
>>
>> Perhaps in time!
>>
>> Am checking out the NC10.
>>
>> Have you bought one and what do you think?
>> regards
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:11 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: What netbook to Buy
>>
>>
>>> Oh sorry I thought I was answering Tony on another list but thanks a
>>> million for that very useful link and apologies to all of you for
>>> reading my mail. You must have all thought I had lost the plot and
in a
>>> way I had!
>>>
>>> -original message-
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: What netbook to Buy
>>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: 17:03:2009 11:23 pm
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> Just to back up what Eleanor is saying here, a number of review
websites
>>> have prominently proclaimed that the NC10 is the best netbook on the
>>> market to date. For anyone looking for a review, you can watch a
video
>>> review at www.trustedreviews.com.
>>>
>>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Eleanor Burke
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:18 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: What netbook to Buy
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Tony and Others
>>> I am on the Access UK list and we had a lot going before Christmas
all
>>> about the NC10 and many of us purchased it and we all remain
delighted
>>> with it. I note the info below does not say that there is no CD/DVD
>>> drive. these Netbooks are sold in PC World so do go and have a
look.
>>> they can be pricey but their advantage is their portability.
Supernova
>>> works very well on them as well as Jaws. You will not be
disappointed
>>> with whichever one you choose I am sure of that.
>>>
>>> Eleanor
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tony Sweeney
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:58 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] What netbook to Buy
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Ccame across this on another list and thought that it would be of
>>> interest at least to some.
>>>
>>> See below.
>>>
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> Netbooks are a great invention primarily due to their
portability. I
>>> own an
>>> Asus EEEPC myself and find it excellent. The model is the 901, it
>>> runs
>>> Windows XP, has a 12 GB hard drive (solid state), 1 GB ram and an
>>> 8.9inch
>>> screen. It came loaded with Adobe Acrobat, Skype, Microsoft
Works,
>>> and Star
>>> Office. I have installed Jaws, Microsoft Office and AVG myself
and
>>> all seems
>>> to run happily together. The battery is a 6-cell, and lasts about
5
>>> hours
>>> (with bluetooth and wireless networking enabled). I mainly use it
for
>>> browsing the web, catching up on emails, and reading / writing
word
>>> documents. It's really handy when travelling.
>>>
>>> The main things to watch out for when buying one of these PCs in
my
>>> opinion
>>> are:
>>>
>>> 1) The size and usability of the keyboard;
>>>
>>> 2) The over all size and weight of the machine;
>>>
>>> 3) The amount of RAM included (1 GB is normal, however some
models
>>> come with
>>> 512 MB which may not be enough);
>>>
>>> 4) The type of hard-drive - either solid state or magnetic (solid
>>> state is
>>> similar to a flash card and so are more robust than the
traditional
>>> magnetic
>>> ones);
>>>
>>> 5) The capacity of the battery (as a rule of thumb 1 cell will
get
>>> you about
>>> 50 minutes to one hours worth of power);
>>>
>>> 6) The operating system (most netbooks are sold with either Linux
or
>>> Windows
>>> XP, although Vista is starting to appear in the newer models);
>>>
>>> 7) The presence of integrated support for Bluetooth and / or
mobile
>>> broadband;
>>>
>>> 8) The quality of the built-in webcam;
>>>
>>> 9) The number of USB ports;
>>>
>>> There are quite a number of netbooks on the market these days,
some
>>> having
>>> screens as small as 7inches which makes the over all size of the
>>> machines
>>> tiny in comparison to a traditional 14inch laptop. The Advent
4211 is
>>> good,
>>> the Acer Aspire One also, and getting a little more expensive the
>>> Samsung
>>> NC10. The Dells tend to be a little on the pricey side too, plus
I
>>> have
>>> heard reports that the keyboard layout is quite strange on them.
>>> Quirky
>>> keyboard layout is a common feature of netbooks, so I would
strongly
>>> advise
>>> you to physically examine a number of your preferred machines
before
>>> purchasing.
>>>
>>> For the most competitive pricing, I would recommend that you take
a
>>> look at
>>> http://www.elara.ie
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ciaran
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