Hi Derek Like Paul, I feel that there is such a minority of working blind people that, where companies in the access technology areana have the opportunity to fill or bridge that gap, they should do so wherever possible. I didn't give a month's notice when I left S and S, I gave three, partly because I was keen to see a successor join the staff and become familiar with the Braille portfolio. It didn't happen, Mr Tookey chose the line he has taken, and that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned. I just felt at the time, and still do, that advertising and a fair recruitment process to replace a blind person with another who has a visual impairment would have been in order. To me, this says a lot about companies earning a lot of money on the backs of those of us who have disabilities, and don't take our input or skills seriously enough to employ us. That's my stance, it always has been, and it always will be, please or offend. And, for what it's worth, Humanware have three working Braillists there, one of whom is totally blind and the other two fully sighted. Sight and Sound had nobody but me to read Braille sufficiently, and now only have the replacement who is called in on an ad hoc basis as and when he is required. Well, that's their call, but I don't believe there isn't anyone else out there who would love a full-time job, could do it well, and have the affinity one needs as a blind person to have the understanding of others in a similar situation when it comes to sales and training. Anyway, it isn't an issue for me any more, thankfully. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Derek Hornby Sent: 05 November 2010 16:19 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Sales and support staff's knowledage of braille Hi Jackie I have changed subject line a I think there is room for a wider Debate on some issues here. I understand all you are saying and I was surprised nobody can read Grade 2 Braille. But then just a sec, maybe not surprised! Few weeks ago I had a demonstration by Humanware of a new Package aimed at the deafblind. They call is DBC I think Stands for deafblind communicator. Anyway the lady that gave me the demonstration didn't seem to know Braille! And this caused some confusion! So after that failed demonstration Alan Davis came to me, Not too sure if he knows Braille, but he certainly was far better At explaining what he was showing me. I am now told the trainer will be a guy called Martin (I forget his surname) works for Humanware in UK. A don't think a sighted driver would be happy for a car Salesman to be a non driver, so to a point I agree There is a need for those that sell Braille displays, to know Both grade 1 and 2 Braille. I do not accept the person must be blind, because there are Many sighted people out there that know Braille very well. Regards, Derek ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3240 - Release Date: 11/05/10 19:34:00 ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq