Hi, Yes, but it may cause crashes etc. It depends on how well the firewall is written. I would say that the best practise would be to have a hardware firewall on a router and an application firewall. I really don't see what benefits two software sirewalls will give you on the same system, and as I have said, I have seen crashes when both are enabled, admitedly not with the MS firewall, but the principal is the same. Andrew. > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barry > Sent: 29 August 2004 18:35 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: SP2 and should you install it >=20 > Can we run a third party firewall and the SP2 firewall at the=20 > same time? > Barry H >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Colin @ New Vision=20 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:26 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: SP2 and should you install it >=20 >=20 > Hi John > That's where most of the flaw reports are now coming from,=20 > as companies test > it with their own bespoke software. We can safely assume=20 > all the Microsoft > software and the major software vendors have put it through=20 > extensive tests. > I totally agree with you when you say it has to be better=20 > for the home PC > user as they tend to use the more standard application software. >=20 > The point of more concern being users tending to rely on=20 > SP2 being the fix > to their security problems and ignoring or taking off their existing > firewalls and security measures. >=20 > I think it has already been mentioned on this list if they=20 > download SP2 can > they remove their existing firewall. > I think ZoneAlarm was the one mentioned. >=20 > I would certainly recommend not removing any backup=20 > security measures until > we can be assured that SP2 is functioning as it should. >=20 > Regards > Colin >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "John Farley" <john_farley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:08 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: SP2 and should you install it >=20 >=20 > > It is not necessarily the flaw reports that are stopping=20 > companies from > > installing SP2. It is because they have not yet tested=20 > and proved it with > > all of their applications, many of which will be bespoke=20 > and not, by their > > very nature, tested by Microsoft. > > > > > > For the home user, not using any particularly special=20 > software, there is > no > > real reason not to install SP2. In fact the extra=20 > security in it probably > > means that the home user should install it as soon as practical. > > > > As usual there are too many scare stories going around=20 > about the odd > > potential issue where the real fact is that it will=20 > improve the situation > of > > security. > > > > Please be aware that I am not saying that SP2 will cure=20 > all ills, just > that > > it will improve the security of the home PC. > > There will, of course, be issues found in it; there will=20 > be subsequent > > fixes. Install them! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, John > > > > Contact on : (Home) > > john_farley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > or : (work) > > john.farley@xxxxxxxx > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > > Colin @ New Vision > > Sent: 29 August 2004 15:49 > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [access-uk] SP2 and should you install it > > > > The flaw reports are causing companies to hesitate even=20 > more before > > installing Microsoft's latest step to secure Windows.=20 > Many companies have > > said they will hold off on the update until it has been=20 > thoroughly vetted. > > SP2 is designed to add better security to the operating=20 > system's handling > of > > network data, program memory, browsing activity and=20 > e-mail messages by > > changing the system's code and configuration. For=20 > example, a revamped > > firewall is intended to keep attackers out and attempts to prevent > malicious > > applications from connecting to the Internet by requiring=20 > that the user > give > > specific permission to each application. > > > > The major software update, which took almost a year to=20 > create, came to > life > > after the MSBlast worm hit the Internet on Aug. 11.=20 > Almost 26 days before, > > Microsoft had issued a patch for the security hole the=20 > worm exploited, but > > many people did not install the fix even though there was=20 > widespread > > expectation that a virus would be created to take=20 > advantage of the flaw. > > > > Microsoft have never claimed that SP2 would close all the=20 > security holes. > > > > Microsoft firewall protects only against inbound threats,=20 > not outbound > > threats, such as keystroke-logging Trojans that report=20 > your passwords and > > credit card information to others. Also, the lack of=20 > outbound protection > > means your infected PC could still participate in distributed > > denial-of-service attacks. In short keep your=20 > third-party firewall > enabled > > alongside Microsoft's. Two firewalls are better than one. > > > > > > Since we're talking about Microsoft software, it's=20 > entirely possible that > > virus writers will soon write code that turns off the=20 > Windows Security > > Centre or at least leads it to falsify its status reports=20 > (saying, for > > instance, that a security measure is enabled when it's=20 > really not). So > don't > > just rely on the Security Centre's status messages.=20 > Periodically check > your > > antivirus and firewall applications independently of the centre. > > > > Bottom line: Microsoft made significant progress toward=20 > remedying its past > > problems, but it still falls far short of putting=20 > Microsoft on the leading > > edge in PC security. Install Windows XP SP2 when you get=20 > the opportunity > but > > don't expect this one update to solve all your Internet=20 > security issues. > To > > be safe, keep and maintain third-party antivirus and=20 > firewall programs. > > > > Regards > > > > Colin > > > > ** Going on holiday and want to halt messages? Send a message to:- > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** and in the Subject line type > > ** vacation ## d > > ** where ## is the number of days followed by d for days. > > ** For other things like digest mode, send a message, to > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** Going on holiday and want to halt messages? 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