Hi George, Another excellent side of it. Now what we need is people with twenty twenty, to complain about web site accessibility <Smile>. All the best -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell Sent: 01 September 2005 13:25 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web sites. Hi Tink, I agree that the issue of accessible web sites has indeed become very "VI 'centric", as you so eloquently put it. However, I'd like put a slightly different view forward. I as good as have 20/20 vision, and I think it's reasonable to say that I do have a modest amount of computer savvy. I also do a lot of web browsing for one purpose or another - often to try and help some of you guys out. However, I am finding an increasing numbers of situations where I am hitting shocking web design - full stop. So much so indeed that I am actually finding myself just leaving the page altogether. I just cannot find my way round it. I won't bore you with details at this point, but simply say that if I can't see what I'm looking for on a web page, what chance have any of you guys got? George. > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tink Watson > Sent: 01 September 2005 12:22 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web sites. > > James, > > Exactly so. Due to the huge effort put in by the RNIB, > and the fact that by and large people with visual impairments > encounter the greatest number of problems in surfing the Net, > the idea of web accessibility has become very VI 'centric. > > I think that accessibility, whether everyone agrees on > it's subjectivity, objectivity or not, is something that needs to be > approached from different angles. > > Sites need to be designed well, browsers need to read the > code properly, screen readers need to deal with both correctly and > people need to make the best of their skills > and talents. > > Accessibility is trollied around like the be all and end > all, and for those people who can't use a web site, for whatever > reason, then it is. But the best solution is to work > towards the same targets, using the same guidelines to lead > the way and with a little luck we'll all meet in the middle. > > The other thing about good coding, is that it is beneficial in > terms of download speed, hosting storage space, > search engine optimisation, future rebranding and general > ease of use for everyone. So accessibility isn't the only reason for > getting stuck in with good code either. > > Tink. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:43 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Really good, accessible web sites. > > > > Hi Tink > > > > Although I don't have much direct experience of web design, > I'm a bit > > sceptical of some of what I would interpret as the great panick over > > accessibility by the great and good of the blindness > industry, and the > > over-emphasis on training and on products which claim to "replace" > > Windows. > > However, I guess we have to remember that website > accessibility is not > > just > > a blindness issue. As blind people we are lucky that a lot > of the issues > > we > > face on websites can be remedied, or at least addressed, by > all sorts of > > sophisticated software. People who have no access to, or > do not need, > > such > > a heavily customised interface to the web have just as much > of a right to > > access websites, and I guess this is particularlywhere good > coding is > > important. > > > > James ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq