[access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

  • From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:04:41 +0100

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of James English
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 8:33 PM
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

guide dogs like to invest in shares with their reserves?

On 10/9/15, Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

hope their not bald Eleanor.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eleanor burke
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 8:26 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

well when people ask if they can stroke my dog I do say can I run my
fingers

through their hair!

On 9 Oct 2015, at 20:24, Henry Miller <henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Hi
I've been totally blind for a long time and over the years I have
received

the usual comments from members of the public such as:
"how long have you been like that"?, then I say "like what", they
say
"like that", so then I say:
"how often do you have sex", they say "hey that's a personal
question".

best wishes
Henry




-----Original Message-----
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Behalf
Of Angel (Redacted sender "angel238" for DMARC)
Sent: 09 October 2015 18:53
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

Why not ridicule people who refuse to use their own common sense to
tell
them what would be obvious to a sane mind? Would they expect their
pet
to
be able to read bus numbers? Are police people stopped and asked
how
their
police dogs are able to ferret out drugs. Despite all attempts to
disguise
them? They are not. When the discovery of those drugs, to me, is
amazing.
We are asked such because we are assumed to be obliged to answer
such
questions. Because we are blind, and they are not. Which because
of our
blindness we are assumed inferior to them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eleanor burke" <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 10:55 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT


okay joke fine but let them know it's a joke! don't joke and then
ridicule
them.

On 9 Oct 2015, at 15:42, Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think sometimes we may say stuff we shouldn't but for god sake
let's
realise that some of what we say to sighted people is a joke we
can't
help it if they have no sense of humour.

-----Original Message----- From: Mike Ray
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 3:33 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT


I'm sorry but all of you need to give members of the sighted
public
around you a break. They are asking stuff like "can you see a
bit",
because to them the idea of going blind is a terrifying prospect.
And
they say stuff like "how do you get on the right bus" because
they are
astonished at your independence and doubt their own resolve to be
so if
they were to suffer sight loss.

Just like thin folks who stare at us fatties, who do so because
of
their
own morbid fear of being thought of as 'fat', sighted folks fear
blindness and don't understand it.

I would certainly NEVER refuse help in the street or be rude when
somebody states the bloody obvious like "you're walking towards a
wall",
because, I might not need help, but the next blind person along
might.
And if I'm rude, that sighted person might not help the next
person.

Sadly the RNIB and Guide Dogs are suffering a common problem of
modern
times; they are run by suits who "know the price of everything
and the
value of nothing".

And if somebody talks to you on the train or the bus, even if
they are
spouting rubbish, at least they are talking. We live in a
society now
where most of us, blind or sighted, go through our outside life
in
silent isolation, making and seeking no eye-contact, words like
'hello'
and 'hi' which cost nothing and make a massive difference.

The RNIB are using ads like the ones mentioned to try to raise
money
from people who are themselves terrified of losing their sight.
That's
why they use the emotive things they do. Although I can see how
it
might be seen as a negative by someone who has lived for a long
time
with reduced vision, or total blindness, but if it persuades a
few
people to cough up a few quid then fine. They can use me if they
like
because I have no hesitation in being plain about how total
blindness
often leaves me wishing I wouldn't wake up tomorrow. Mostly
because
nobody takes any notice of me when I say I can still write code
that
will leave most sighted school-leavers standing, but I can't get
a job.

Mike

On 09/10/2015 14:28, john gallagher wrote:
hi janet strangely when i got in to the leeds station today a
dog
tried
to get to zarah and it was someone with a training dog maybe
aben
drury
but of course they never speak to us or anything but, like ian
says
all
this from a charity that years ago fought of us like hell
campained
for
things to be bejter for us people have been on committees
spending
hours
fighting for our rights and now they come out with something
like
this.
the public are very gullable and believe all this rubbish.

in sheffield people used to ask me how i got on the right bus
and i
told
them the dog could read the numbers and you know they believed
it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 9 October 2015 2:22 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT



Hi John

I just despair of these people and you are right you tell guide
dogs
things
and no notice is taken whatsoever because totally blind people
are in

a
minority they are just left on the shelf to disappear.

-----Original Message----- From: john gallagher
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 2:17 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

hi janet well i am certainly not going to pay for the rubbish
over
drive set
up sad really but to me like the guide dogs the people at the
top
never
discuss anything with us at the bottom so to speak. also on the
train
today
someone was adamant i could see are you parttly sighted she
kept
asking
it
just felt as though i had landed from outer space.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 9 October 2015 1:59 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT



Hi Ian

I don't know if you read this newspaper but last week in the
daily
mirror
there was an article about an American woman who wanted to go
blind
which
infuriated me about as much as what you have written has.
There was
also
an
advert about fifteen years ago done by action for blind people
that
made
us
look totally helpless which annoyed me as well. I don't buy
the
rnib's
products as I think they are poor quality most of the time.
and
when
my
year's subscription is up I don't think I will renew it
either.

Janet ps there are still letters at the bottom of your
messages.

-----Original Message----- From: Ian Macrae
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 1:52 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

I am seriously considering boycotting what few RNIB products
and
services
I
use - chiefly the electronic newspaper service - in response
to
their
latest
ad campaign. There has been an item on this at the end of
today's
edition
of WATO. Celebs including Barbara Windsor and Shirley Bassey
are
presented
talking about the idea of being told they're going blind.
Bassey
describes
that possibility as being "Devastating" and says she might as
well
be
told
that she's going to die. Once again they have turned my
impairment
into
a
thing of terror and me into an object of pity and I've had
enough of

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