[access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

  • From: Eleanor burke <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 23:13:39 +0100

not Derek but I suspect it's because he was trying to support his employers and
the people who are members were knocking at the start.

On 10 Oct 2015, at 20:41, Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

thanks derek just questioning why someone who isn't a moderator should be
telling us what we can and can't say.

-----Original Message----- From: Derek Hornby
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:30 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

Hi Janet
George is the moderator.



-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Janet Bell
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:27 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

why are you singling me out I'm not the only one that has commented on
this.
One final thing are you a moderator of this list.

-----Original Message----- From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:22 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

Hi Janet.

None of us are perfect, however this list is about technology and we
owe it
to everyone on the list to keep it on topic. Some people including
myself
use this as a resource to keep up-to-date with tech trends, and it's
annoying to put it mildly when there is so much casual off-topic
discussion.

Take care, Ibrahim.

-----Original Message----- From: Janet Bell
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 7:40 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

I apologise for not being as perfect as you guys.

-----Original Message----- From: Eleanor burke
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 7:15 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

absolutely Steve,

On 10 Oct 2015, at 19:14, Steve Nutt <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Janet,

But that sighted person may well take you seriously. I don't joke
if
someone asks me what they perceive to be a serious question. I
would
sooner
educate them than joke.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of
Janet Bell
Sent: 09 October 2015 15:42
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

I think sometimes we may say stuff we shouldn't but for god sake
let's
realise that some of what we say to sighted people is a joke we
can't help
it if they have no sense of humour.

-----Original Message----- From: Mike Ray
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 3:33 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT


I'm sorry but all of you need to give members of the sighted public
around you a break. They are asking stuff like "can you see a bit",
because to them the idea of going blind is a terrifying prospect.
And
they say stuff like "how do you get on the right bus" because they
are
astonished at your independence and doubt their own resolve to be so
if
they were to suffer sight loss.

Just like thin folks who stare at us fatties, who do so because of
their
own morbid fear of being thought of as 'fat', sighted folks fear
blindness and don't understand it.

I would certainly NEVER refuse help in the street or be rude when
somebody states the bloody obvious like "you're walking towards a
wall",
because, I might not need help, but the next blind person along
might.
And if I'm rude, that sighted person might not help the next person.

Sadly the RNIB and Guide Dogs are suffering a common problem of
modern
times; they are run by suits who "know the price of everything and
the
value of nothing".

And if somebody talks to you on the train or the bus, even if they
are
spouting rubbish, at least they are talking. We live in a society
now
where most of us, blind or sighted, go through our outside life in
silent isolation, making and seeking no eye-contact, words like
'hello'
and 'hi' which cost nothing and make a massive difference.

The RNIB are using ads like the ones mentioned to try to raise money
from people who are themselves terrified of losing their sight.
That's
why they use the emotive things they do. Although I can see how it
might be seen as a negative by someone who has lived for a long time
with reduced vision, or total blindness, but if it persuades a few
people to cough up a few quid then fine. They can use me if they
like
because I have no hesitation in being plain about how total
blindness
often leaves me wishing I wouldn't wake up tomorrow. Mostly because
nobody takes any notice of me when I say I can still write code that
will leave most sighted school-leavers standing, but I can't get a
job.

Mike

On 09/10/2015 14:28, john gallagher wrote:
hi janet strangely when i got in to the leeds station today a dog
tried
to

get to zarah and it was someone with a training dog maybe aben
drury but
of course they never speak to us or anything but, like ian says all
this
from a charity that years ago fought of us like hell campained for
things
to be bejter for us people have been on committees spending hours
fighting

for our rights and now they come out with something like this. the
public
are very gullable and believe all this rubbish.

in sheffield people used to ask me how i got on the right bus and i
told
them the dog could read the numbers and you know they believed it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 9 October 2015 2:22 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT



Hi John

I just despair of these people and you are right you tell guide
dogs
things
and no notice is taken whatsoever because totally blind people are
in a
minority they are just left on the shelf to disappear.

-----Original Message----- From: john gallagher
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 2:17 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

hi janet well i am certainly not going to pay for the rubbish over
drive
set
up sad really but to me like the guide dogs the people at the top
never
discuss anything with us at the bottom so to speak. also on the
train
today
someone was adamant i could see are you parttly sighted she kept
asking
it
just felt as though i had landed from outer space.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 9 October 2015 1:59 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT



Hi Ian

I don't know if you read this newspaper but last week in the
daily
mirror
there was an article about an American woman who wanted to go
blind
which
infuriated me about as much as what you have written has. There
was
also
an
advert about fifteen years ago done by action for blind people
that
made
us
look totally helpless which annoyed me as well. I don't buy the
rnib's
products as I think they are poor quality most of the time. and
when
my
year's subscription is up I don't think I will renew it either.

Janet ps there are still letters at the bottom of your messages.

-----Original Message----- From: Ian Macrae
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 1:52 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

I am seriously considering boycotting what few RNIB products and
services
I
use - chiefly the electronic newspaper service - in response to
their
latest
ad campaign. There has been an item on this at the end of
today's
edition
of WATO. Celebs including Barbara Windsor and Shirley Bassey are
presented
talking about the idea of being told they're going blind. Bassey
describes
that possibility as being "Devastating" and says she might as
well be
told
that she's going to die. Once again they have turned my
impairment
into
a
thing of terror and me into an object of pity and I've had enough
of

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