[access-uk] Re: RNIB
- From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:50:40 -0000
John,
I work for the RNIB, but please don't take this as an official statement
because I'm replying in a personal capacity. As far as I'm aware, RNIB
describes itself as a charity, not as a not-for-profit organisation,
Here's a quote from the annual report and accounts 2008/2009: "RNIB is a
registered charity, and as such is entitled to certain tax exemptions on
income and profit from investments and surpluses on any trading
activities carried out in furtherance of the charity's primary
objectives, if these profits are applied solely for charitable
purposes."
A quick skim of the Charity Commission website and the Charity Act 2006
seems to suggest a not-for-profit organisation is not defined as an
organisation that does not make a profit, but one that uses any profit
it makes for "public benefit".
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of john coley
Sent: 21 November 2009 10:40
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
They are a non profit organisation. They are not allowed to sell for
profit.
That's it and all about it. It doesn't matter a damn if you think they
should be able to. Yes, they can make money from other sources, but not
by selling products for profit. Or do you think it's fine for them to do
whatever they want to get money?
John.
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Keen" <gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
I am in no way a RNIB fan boy but where do you think they get the moneys
required to run their educational establishments and other services?
Some funds undoubtedly come from the state by way of grants but not all
and
they have to raise the shortfall from other sources.
I can not say that I always agree with the way they spend the money they
raise, a lot of the tech projects are just a waste of time - who can
forget
the ill fated electronic newspaper debacle, and I believe that they are
too
top heavy in their management structure but that is another argument.
Regards
G
From glorious Devon, England
On 20 Nov 2009, at 19:52, john coley wrote:
> That's the point. They make a profit. As a non profit organisation
they
> are not allowed to. You have just said so much yourself.
> John.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie"
> <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:33 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
>
>
>> They are a nonn-profit organisation in that they do not exist to make
a
>> profit.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:21 PM
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
>>
>>>
>>> They shouldn't in that case claim to be a non profit organisation.
The
>>> fact that you agree with it is immaterial. It is dishonest.
>>> John.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie"
>>> <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:46 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
>>>
>>>
>>>> No, I am not shocked and I think it only right that RNIB should
sell
>>>> goods at the same price as other suppliers. We should remember that
>>>> Selling is only part of the work which RNIB does and even here
there
>>>> are many areas of subsidy. If we take books for example, a book is
>>>> genrally sold by RNIB at the same price as the print version.
However,
>>>> the cost of producing that book is much greater than the print. If
we
>>>> were to be charged the same price for audio books as the general
market
>>>> price, I don't think many of us would be buying too many of them.
>>>> Personally, I think there is too much of the expecting to get
things
>>>> cheaper within the blind community.
>>>>
>>>> Iain
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:03 PM
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] RNIB
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everybody, I learnt something the other day that shocked me.
It's
>>>>> something that affects many of us. The RNIB as a charity is
supposed
>>>>> to be a non profit organisation.
>>>>> When I was researching prices of a product recently I found it
strange
>>>>> that the RNIB charged the same as other suppliers. I took it up
with a
>>>>> friend at the RNIB, who confirmed to me that yes, they do make the
>>>>> same profit as other suppliers, but given their status as a non
profit
>>>>> organisation they're not allowed to call it profit, so call it
>>>>> contribution.
>>>>> Given that any financial gain made on sale of something is profit
>>>>> whatever they choose to call it it comes down to the same thing.
>>>>> It would be interesting to know how officially they reconcile
being a
>>>>> non profit organisation with their operating as a profit making
one,
>>>>> that profit being made from those people they profess to be
helping.
>>>>> John.
>>>>>
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