All valid points with which I agree.
The only valid point in George's note was referring to guide dogs
not being a topic of relevance to this list - they wouldn't come
under the guise of access tech! (smile) and there are other lists
more suited to guide dog issues. Lest I set proverbial Hares
running, this is no means a negative comment about guide dogs,
I've had four, all GSD's and fine beasts!
Kind regards,
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Macrae" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender
"ian.macrae1" for DMARC)
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Sat, 14 May 2016 16:49:42 +0100
Subject: [access-uk] RESEND OF PREVIOUSLY INCOMPLETED MESSAGE was
To add to my fourth point, many people have received very useful
information on a whole variety of subjects from other blind users
which has probably helped them to make good decisions and, as
importantly, avoid making expensive purchases of inappropriate
equipment in error.
Fifthly, None of the subjects I listed earlier have been ruled OT
and to make such a ruling in respect of coffee machines seems to
me rather arbitrary.
Sixth and finally, I've already learned something very useful
about accessible locks from a thread on this list today which
should, if rules are to be regarded as hard and fast be similarly
ruled off topic for the list.
On 14 May 2016, at 12:21, Steve Nutt <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Ed,
Here is where it becomes difficult and I agree with your post.
What is the
definition of access tech? I agree with you and we all, myself
included,
have been guilty of talking about gadgets, trueCall in my case
and other
gadgets. So the guidelines do either need to be enforced, or
re-written.
Anyone care to define access tech in this context?
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of
Edward Green
Sent: 14 May 2016 00:19
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Message from Moderator
Hi George,
I don't dispute that that's what the list guidelines say, and on
a strict
interpretation of those guidelines, coffee machines are prima
facie off
topic.
However, this constitute peripatetic enforcement. I went onto
the April
archive page of Access-UK to see how many messages had been
posted about the
Goodmans DAB Digital Radio. To be honest, I gave up counting,
but there
were a lot more than there have been on the coffee machine
thread and I
didn't see one from you about the thread being off topic. BTW
if anyone
wants to count, the link is
https://www.freelists.org/archive/access-uk/04-2016?threads=1.
If the speed limit is 70 miles an hour, you have to enforce it
for all cars
you see doing 90, not just yellow ones. Or if you prefer, if
the referee
books a player for a tackle from behind after 5 minutes, he has
to book
everyone else who does the same thing in the rest of the game.
Cheers,
Ed
On 13 May 2016, at 23:42, George Bell
<george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm hoping this plain text message is visible to all members.
The first part of the list's Welcome message says:
"1. This list is primarily set up for UK users of Access
Technology to
discuss any technical problems which are related to either the
hardware or
software they are using."
Note the words "users of Access Technology".
I'm sorry, but coffee machines, guide dogs and such like are not
"Access
Technology".
There are others lists to discuss such topics, and if this
continues, it
will be necessary to take a harder line here.
George Bell.
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