[access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
- From: "martin wilsher" <martinwilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:06:47 -0000
After all the fanfare around the discs which there was, I'm not surprised
either. I'm reading broken rails by Christian wolmar at the moment,, and
that has all sorts of navigation in it, pages, phrase, chapter, the lot,
that's daisy, and on mem stick. It's great! This overdrive is so much
rubbish imho. And the memory stick can be used on computer, or the stuff
transferred to sd card, so Overdrive to me seemed a waste of money on
RNIB's part.
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Paul Leake
Sent: 18 December 2014 11:26
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
It is strange at best that RNIB should not be supporting DAISY for their
download TB service as it offers crucial navigational flexibility!
Kind regards,
Paul
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From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:47:31 -0000
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
The answer to that question is quite simple. As long as we have Overdrive,
we lose all the advantages of DAISY.
Iain
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From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:19 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
Hi Ian,
Thanks for this.
It still doesn't answer any questions as to technical reasons for this way
of doing it. Why for example, do we have to lose Daisy navigation just
because we are downloading files? Like I said, the Daisy files are tiny so
there was no reason to take them out in the conversion process.
All the best
Steve
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Iain Lackie
Sent: 17 December 2014 16:43
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
For all who are eager to see what Louisa said, here it is.
Iain
Hi all,
A huge amount of research and work was done before RNIB Overdrive was
trialled and then launched and we have a lot of customers who are using it
currently - nearly 7,000 books have been borrowed from the service since 15
September.
RNIB Overdrive was never launched to replace the Talking Books Service and
our Daisy CD offering, but through demand, we wanted to launch a digital
download library, to reach out and support more reading choices and give
the public the option to pick the service that suited them.
Sadly, the BookStream BookClub was not scalable and had a number of issues.
OverDrive, the platform that we use, is in constant touch with us about
improving their platform and the accessibility and have done a number of
changes and are working on more.
We have had many people who have decided to transfer across to RNIB
Overdrive from Talking Books Service - if you have decided that you would
prefer to be transferred across to Talking Books Service instead and
continue with Daisy CDs, then this can be arranged too - all you need to do
is contact us and we can arrange that for you.
In regards to book prioritisation - to upload over 20,000+ titles to the
service takes a while and we are working to get the complete catalogue up
quickly. We analysed the different genres and uploaded cross sections, to
ensure a variety of books were available. If we started prioritising
titles from customers, this would slow the process down and would have an
impact on all customers, who each would have different books that they
would like.
We have a team who work tirelessly on this service and have a lot of plans
to continue improving our offering and the books available, alongside our
fundraising teams, who help us heavily subsidise all our reading choices.
I can be personally contacted by email on Louisa.muhsin@xxxxxxxxxxx, should
you wish to contact me directly.
Best regards,
Louisa.
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From: Muhsin, Louisa
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:57 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
Hi all,
A huge amount of research and work was done before RNIB Overdrive was
trialled and then launched and we have a lot of customers who are using it
currently - nearly 7,000 books have been borrowed from the service since 15
September.
RNIB Overdrive was never launched to replace the Talking Books Service and
our Daisy CD offering, but through demand, we wanted to launch a digital
download library, to reach out and support more reading choices and give
the public the option to pick the service that suited them.
Sadly, the BookStream BookClub was not scalable and had a number of issues.
OverDrive, the platform that we use, is in constant touch with us about
improving their platform and the accessibility and have done a number of
changes and are working on more.
We have had many people who have decided to transfer across to RNIB
Overdrive from Talking Books Service - if you have decided that you would
prefer to be transferred across to Talking Books Service instead and
continue with Daisy CDs, then this can be arranged too - all you need to do
is contact us and we can arrange that for you.
In regards to book prioritisation - to upload over 20,000+ titles to the
service takes a while and we are working to get the complete catalogue up
quickly. We analysed the different genres and uploaded cross sections, to
ensure a variety of books were available. If we started prioritising
titles from customers, this would slow the process down and would have an
impact on all customers, who each would have different books that they
would like.
We have a team who work tirelessly on this service and have a lot of plans
to continue improving our offering and the books available, alongside our
fundraising teams, who help us heavily subsidise all our reading choices.
I can be personally contacted by email on Louisa.muhsin@xxxxxxxxxxx, should
you wish to contact me directly.
Best regards,
Louisa.
Louisa Muhsin
Louisa Muhsin
RNIB Overdrive - now available from RNIB online shop
Reading Services Digital Manager, Solutions Team
RNIB (Royal National Institute of Blind People)
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: 17 December 2014 12:28
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
Hi Carol,
I think their idea was to allow files to play on cheaper media players than
Daisy players. Of course, this idea is nonsense, because Daisy files will
simply be ignored by cheaper media players, so they too would play just
fine.
So bring back Daisy I say.
All the best
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 17 December 2014 11:52
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
We feel the same way, Steve. So many VI's have good Daisy players,
allowing such great access, so why do we need anything different. I wonder
just how much longer they'll actually prepare Daisy books?
Carol P
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From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:02 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
Hi,
My view is they should have used an online delivery service compatible
with Daisy readers, rather than go down this convaluted route.
All the best
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Iain Lackie
Sent: 16 December 2014 13:48
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
In defense of RNIB, I don't think the process is as straightforward as
that.
The file structure of Overdrive books is different from their DAISY
equivalents. Personally, I think any download or streaming system should
have utilised DAISY as not doing so has cut down the possibilities of
effective book manipulation for those who desire it.
Iain
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From: martin wilsher
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:32 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
Four months for upload? Is it really that difficult that it takes this
length of time when the said book is in digital format from the mem
stick/disc catalogue? I think someone's being unacceptably slow here.
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of David Griffith
Sent: 16 December 2014 13:22
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive
Thanks for providing me with sight of this which was also invisible on my
system.
To respond to Lisa?셲 post.
I do not consider it is appropriate to comment in detail on our
correspondence on list = but given it has been raised . This email to me
last week said did not mention February but the New Year.
However the wider principle of refusing to allow a priority
= system
of
uploading books for people who are waiting for books is worth
of wider
discussion as this is presumably an issue of RNIB Overdrive policy.
The issue is not that books are being uploaded but that people like me
have been waiting since early November for books to become available with
no promise that they be available until February. In other words there is
potentially a wait of 4 months for a book.
This I personally regard as unacceptable and unresponsive policy and ask
that it urgently be reviewed in favour of responding to request for book
uploads.
I am circulating this o n a wider forum as I am interested in the views of
other Visually Impaired people on this aspect of RNIB Overdrive Policy.
David Griffith
.
On 16 Dec 2014, at 12:25, Iain Lackie
<ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
I think it must be. What Louisa said was
Dear David,
As per my email to you last week, we are on track to have the complete
collection uploaded by February and if you go to the section, 'New this
Week', you can see what has been uploaded in the past seven days.
If you do have any further queries, please don't hesitate to contact the
Overdrive team as instructed, who are more than happy to help.
Best regards,
Louisa.
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