Hello David,
The representation of bold type is an interesting concept, and I think it
presents us with a paradox. If you show it with a cluster of symbols, it means
that a braille reader will know what is bold and what is not. However, the
purpose of bold text is to make the words stand out on the page, 'like a sore
thumb', as they say. The representation of Bold in braille has the opposite
effect. If someone writes one word in bold: as in: We need action ... NOW!
Where "now is in bold text, you would get more symble than word. So what brings
the text forward in print smothers it in braille. I'm not against the whole of
UEB, but do feel that the representation of bold attributes is a pointless
exercise. Interestingly, we could previously only tell which text had been
italicised, but for inclusivity, it is often recommended that sighted people
try to avoid it and underlined text. This is because people with dyslexia
generally recognise the words by their overall shape, rather than by spelling
letter by letter, and italics can skew text out of recognition. Excessive use
of block capitals can hav e the same undesired effect.
Best,
Clive
Best,
Clive
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David Boden
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UEB removes ambiguities, standardises the braille code throughout the countries
who adopt it and incorporates a lot of the specialist braille codes.
It may seem a retrograde step to proficient users of braille but it makes a lot
of sense. It may help to prolong the use of braille as some people feel it is
destined to enter the realms of obscurity and abandonment over time.
I believe the use of indicators for bold type is up to each braille publisher
so this might be eradicated from magazines if enough people complain to RNIB.
David Boden
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George Bell
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Correct - the ble contraction has been dropped. The reason being that it
causes confusion when back-translating in some cases.
George
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Derek Hornby
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I find it confusing
It seems like half in grade one and half grade two.
For example b l e rather than the b l e sign.
Derek
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That's the one I didn't get then, although some magasines say that the leaflet
is enclosed when it isn't.
Best,
Clive
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Iain Lackie
Sent: 09 April 2015 17:05
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There are some magazines which have yet to appear in UEB. There was an
explanatory leaflet which contained a list of changes sent out independently of
magazines.
Iain
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Hi Iain,
Perhaps I could have one of yours then (smile).
But seriously, perhaps it all depends which mags you get - say sheets in
Progress but not in Upbeat, as a random ex\ample.
Best,
Clive
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Iain Lackie
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I have had two of these sheets. One came with a magazine and one arrived last
month. You must have been unlucky.
Iain
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Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:04 PM
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Hello all,
For information, I've just put in a complaint and a request for action to RNIB,
because last week, they started sending out magazines in Unified English
Braille. I have no problem with that, except that the notice (in U E B) at the
front of the magazines stated that a guide sheet was sent out along with the
magazine, showing the most commonly encountered changes to the code, but the
magazines I was reading had no such guide. I would also have thought that the
time to send out the guide sheet was when the magazines in "old skool Braille"
were heralding the imminent arrival of magazines in the Unified Code.
To go back to the code itself, from what I've now seen of it, I don't think
I'll have too much difficulty getting used to the effects of the loss of
certain contractions, and fully understand the logic of removing ambiguities,
such as dot six being used in contractions like ation and ally, and as
punctuations. However, it will be helpful to see how it is representing other
types of print, such as block capitals versus initial caps. Are wew on a hiding
to nothing trying to slavishly follow or represent pring though, so that we
have to surround a word with so many extra symbols to show that it's initial
capitals, underscored and bold, for example? I'm noticing increasingly that
documents I'm receiving are conveying information by colour coding. Will we one
day need a supercode, in which say, dot five followed by dot 2 followed by dots
5-6 followed by a slash means that the following word is in blue, with another
set to indicate red, so that we'll know which is which when the t ext says:
"Training courses in redhave no discount, courses in blue have a 50% earlybird
discount, and courses shown in green are free"? And on the subject of
disappearing contractions, I've never seen the point of the grade 2
representations of receiving, perceiving, deceiving, Declaring? I know it's
because the I N G sign wouldn't work, but why not just get rid and write c e v
ing instead of cvg?
Best,
Clive
Clive Lever
Diversity and Equality Officer
Kent County Council
Office: 03000 416388
Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
Kent County Council
Room G37
Sessions House
Maidstone, Kent.
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