David says
"I believe the use of indicators for bold type is up to each
publisher so this might be eradicated from magazines if enough
complain to RNIB."
Well I don't think RNIB will take notice of what customers want.
Do you think the Braille changes will be stopped, if enough of us
complained!!
How many people remember some years ago, it was put to
the vote regarding showing capital letters in Braille.
If I remember rightly, the majority vote was no?
This time round we get no vote?
Regards, Derek
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Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 12:07 PM
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UEB removes ambiguities, standardises the braille code throughout the
countries who adopt it and incorporates a lot of the specialist
braille codes.
It may seem a retrograde step to proficient users of braille but it
makes a lot of sense. It may help to prolong the use of braille as
some people feel it is destined to enter the realms of obscurity and
abandonment over time.
I believe the use of indicators for bold type is up to each braille
publisher so this might be eradicated from magazines if enough people
complain to RNIB.
David Boden
Technical Specialist
ICT - Operational Delivery
Environment and Resources
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Sent: 10 April 2015 11:50
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Correct - the ble contraction has been dropped. The reason being that
it causes confusion when back-translating in some cases.
George
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
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Sent: 10 April 2015 11:34
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I find it confusing
It seems like half in grade one and half grade two.
For example b l e rather than the b l e sign.
Derek
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Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 5:12 PM
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That's the one I didn't get then, although some magasines say that the
leaflet is enclosed when it isn't.
Best,
Clive
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Sent: 09 April 2015 17:05
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There are some magazines which have yet to appear in UEB. There was an
explanatory leaflet which contained a list of changes sent out
independently of magazines.
Iain
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Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 4:40 PM
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Hi Iain,
Perhaps I could have one of yours then (smile).
But seriously, perhaps it all depends which mags you get - say sheets
in Progress but not in Upbeat, as a random ex\ample.
Best,
Clive
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Iain Lackie
Sent: 09 April 2015 16:27
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Possibly off-topic - U E B Braille Magazines
I have had two of these sheets. One came with a magazine and one
arrived last month. You must have been unlucky.
Iain
From: Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:04 PM
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Subject: [access-uk] Possibly off-topic - U E B Braille Magazines
Hello all,
For information, I've just put in a complaint and a request for action
to RNIB, because last week, they started sending out magazines in
Unified English Braille. I have no problem with that, except that the
notice (in U E B) at the front of the magazines stated that a guide
sheet was sent out along with the magazine, showing the most commonly
encountered changes to the code, but the magazines I was reading had
no such guide. I would also have thought that the time to send out the
guide sheet was when the magazines in "old skool Braille" were
heralding the imminent arrival of magazines in the Unified Code.
To go back to the code itself, from what I've now seen of it, I don't
think I'll have too much difficulty getting used to the effects of the
loss of certain contractions, and fully understand the logic of
removing ambiguities, such as dot six being used in contractions like
ation and ally, and as punctuations. However, it will be helpful to
see how it is representing other types of print, such as block
capitals versus initial caps. Are wew on a hiding to nothing trying to
slavishly follow or represent pring though, so that we have to
surround a word with so many extra symbols to show that it's initial
capitals, underscored and bold, for example? I'm noticing increasingly
that documents I'm receiving are conveying information by colour
coding. Will we one day need a supercode, in which say, dot five
followed by dot 2 followed by dots 5-6 followed by a slash means that
the following word is in blue, with another set to indicate red, so
that we'll know which is which when the t
ext says: "Training courses in redhave no discount, courses in blue
have a 50% earlybird discount, and courses shown in green are free"?
And on the subject of disappearing contractions, I've never seen the
point of the grade 2 representations of receiving, perceiving,
deceiving, Declaring? I know it's because the I N G sign wouldn't
work, but why not just get rid and write c e v ing instead of cvg?
Best,
Clive
Clive Lever
Diversity and Equality Officer
Kent County Council
Office: 03000 416388
Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
Kent County Council
Room G37
Sessions House
Maidstone, Kent.
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