Ray I think the price I paid was about right too. I do realise that not wanting to pay the licence fee is a bit mean, but TV sets are not cheap either, so I decided to go for the sound only bargain. I agree with you about the BBC, and what we would do without Radio 4 I don't know. Years ago we used to pay a small radio licence fee, and I for one wouldn't mind forking out a bit to the BBC for the privilege of all their radio access, not just national, but regional and local too. Since going online I have been able to enjoy listening to BBC radio when I have missed interesting programmes, and the work they do on their website is fantastic. I get loads of news and other information from them, and as far as I am concerned they are second to none. Your reference to the well-known stinginess of the blind is the only point where I would take issue with you. I think it is often more a question of lack of funds than actually being stingy. I was lucky enough to have worked full time for over 40 years, so I managed to build up a bit of company pension as well as the one from the state. This means that if I want to buy a new PC, talking product, etc, I don't have to worry about the cost half so much as I would if I had never found a job and had to live on benefits. Given the appalling statistics regarding employment of blind people, it's a wonder to me that products specially designed for us sell as well as they do. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray's Home Sent: 02 December 2007 13:16 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset. Wendy, and anyone interested, what you paid is more or less what I think it would be worth new if a large number of people were to buy into this sort of stand-alone piece of equipment, so good on you that you found it at the right price. Afraid though that I've always been of the mind that what the Beeb does suits me admirably, though I know in this world of mass dumned-down culture - which the Beeb isn't slow to cater to - its a case of knowing the price but not the value of such a valuable asset as the Beeb is. Unpopular I know, but given the mass hatred of the licence fee, and then couple that with the well known stinginess of the blind, and you have a sure formula for shreaks of can't pay, won't pay! I'm oh so glad I've been able to enjoy a variety and quality that would be denied me if I'd been born almost anywhere else. I could quite honestly see me going no TV at all if commercial offerings were all that were on offer. A happy to be unpopular, From Ray I can be contacted off-list at: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- Wendy Sharpe Ray I would certainly never have bought one at full price, and the only thing I lack is a DVD player, but I have now sussed out how to play DVD's on the PC using Power DVD. I have always thought that Portset's prices were way over the top. The media centre does also have the facility to record programmes, but there is no way to transfer recordings from its internal disk or whatever it uses to another hard drive, on the PC for example. Frankly, I was seriously thinking about giving up TV altogether when we finally switch over, as I refuse to have a TV and pay a licence for something I can't see. I'm a mean person, I know, but there is nobody else here who wants to watch telly. I got my media centre for £300, which I thought was a bargain, and it is a very nice piece of kit, but the original price is far too high, and even with competition from anything else which can talk, Portset never seem to drop their prices. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray's Home Sent: 02 December 2007 12:51 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset. Sorry, but I don't feel obliged to be overly-polite on this one. The price ranging up to near a thousand quid has to be one of the all-time rip-offs, even considering the realities of access tech. I really don't know why anyone with a PC would even consider it, and that by definition, is pretty well everyone on a list such as this one. You can hardly blame the guy for wanting to hold on to the miche market he had with the original teletext reciever, but times have moved on since then, I'm glad to say. Still, as I've said to the original enquirer off-list, I can hardly criticise you if you really want to spend money in this way, but frankly, many wouldn't. Cheers, From Ray I can be contacted off-list at: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- Gordon Keen Strange, safari went straight to it and I've just browsed through the models available. World wide weirdness! Cheers G From glorious Devon, England. On 2 Dec 2007, at 12:26, David W Wood wrote: > Hi Gordon - this link gives: > > This page is not available > > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of > Gordon Keen > Sent: 02 December 2007 12:16 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: Gordon Keen > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset. > > Hi > For alternatives check out: > http://www.tvhelp.org.uk/audes/equipment.index.html > Hopefully competition will force down prices in the not too distant > future. > > Cheers > G > From glorious Devon, England. > > On 2 Dec 2007, at 11:03, Jackie Cairns wrote: > > > > My only comment, and please feel free to jump on me if you want > folks (though not literally) (smile), is that it's a rip-off for > £620 or > whatever it costs. I know it speaks, but £620 for that? Phew! > > I loved their Talking Teletext unit when I had mine, but that was > when there wasn't so much information available elsewhere. Certain > Freeview > boxes, while they don't provide speech navigation, do offer Audio > Description, and there are also lots of DAISY players on the market > to tap > into. I just think it's well OTT. > > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sue morgan <mailto:sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:35 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Portset. > > Hi list. > > I've been reading about the Portset Accessible Freeview > Receiver and I'm quite interested in it. I'm wondering if anyone on > this > list has one, or knows anything about them. I've listened to the > audio demo > on the Portset website and it seems very accessible. > > Any feedback would be grate as I'd love to have an > accessible freeview receiver. > > Sue. > e-mail sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > mobile 07968825286 > msn sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > skype suemorgan1006 > > > Gordon Keen > gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq