Hello Everybody, For members who don't know, my "day job" is as head of products and publications at RNIB and I hope list members won't think it a cheek when i say that I'm seeking a small number of people to try out our first go at making labels for the Penfriend that can be stuck to clothing and survive washing. I have a very limited number of labels and would like to send them to anybody who would like to give them a test run. I've been trialing them on my own things and they don't seem to be doing any harm to anything. However, this would be a try at your own risk bit of evaluation. If you would like to take part in the trial just let me know and we'll send out some labels. We've got enough to give a few to about 6 people. We'd just like you to stick them to various items of clothing and put them through a few machine and/or hand washes and let us know if they fall off, stop working or cause any problems. The labels are just like the standard penfriend labels with different adhesive. We have some further ideas for other ways of solving the laundry issue and would really welcome the direct involvement of customers in getting the right solution. I am very conscious that although we do regularly involve "real" blind people in testing our products this is most often done via groups in local societies and in our resource centres and rarely through groups like this where people can read what other people are saying before we actually put a new item up for sale. If people generally feel that this is not an appropriate use of this list, just say so and perhaps suggest a better way for us to actively communicate with and involve customers. Email is good because it is much faster and more flexible for getting a discussion going although we will never stop using other routes as many people still don't have direct personal access to email. Thank you to you all. If you prefer you can respond to me at john.godber@xxxxxxxxxxx but don't worry, if you write to me at my own email address i'll make sure the bloke at RNIB gets the message. John