[access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

  • From: "Clive Lever" <clive.lever1955@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:34:50 -0000

Hi Steve,

I see the £30 limit on contactless payments as a considerable restriction at
present, but I wouldn't be surprised if that limit were only temporary, and
may lift in the future should contactless payments become the most accepted
method of buying goods on the High Street. 


Best,
Clive




-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:51 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Contactless.  It doesn't need Internet either.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jim Williams
Sent: 27 February 2018 22:11
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi,

And what if there happened to be a major Internet melt down for a couple of
days or weeks, got any cash on you anyone?

Jim Williams
----- Original Message -----
From: "goshawk on horseback" <goshawk_on_horseback@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:42 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops


again, that's all well and good, but again, what about those of us who 
find getting hold of pesky cash a major pane?

Simon


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie Brown" <jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:18 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops


Hi Steve

My goodness! How did everyone manage before then?  Yes people get 
mugged and much worse, and it's just awful.  But try saying cash 
should be outlawed to someone with Parkinsons or MS or Motor Neurone 
diseases?  Their independence and quality of life is already so 
compromised, so add insult to injury by taking away their basic right 
to buy food and whatever else by forcing them to use something they 
never could?  Sorry and all that, but there has to be a middle ground 
for things like this, it can't all be about hugging your Smartphone 
for every single thing you do in life!

Kind regards,

Jackie Brown
Email: Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter: 
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 27 February 2018 16:57
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi Jackie,

I do look at the wider picture, but I don't think saying use cash is 
the answer.

Nothing worse than going out for a meal with a hundred quid in your 
back pocket, then getting mugged.

Your cash gets stolen, so you don't get any money back.  At least if 
you use a credit card, you are protected somewhat by the credit card 
company if the card gets stolen and can easily get a refund.

Heck, if I compromised your card details and took money out, your bank 
would give it back.  Try that with stolen cash.

It's about time cash died.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Jackie Brown
Sent: 27 February 2018 15:12
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi Steve

But that's you, not everyone is the same, and you have to take that 
into account.  The point is that if you offer to pay for a meal with 
cash or your usual debit or credit card, and the proprietor insists 
you use a touchscreen or, even worse, asks for your PIN so it can be 
entered, that isn't acceptable! You have to look at the wider picture 
Steve, not just what you can do with a Smart device.

Kind regards,

Jackie Brown
Email: Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
@thebrownsplace Skype name: thejackmate


-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 27 February 2018 14:41
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi Jackie,

What an old-fashioned notion, cash. <Big Smile>.

Seriously, I can't wait to get rid of cash, it's the least secure 
method of carrying money.

I carry less and less of it about nowadays, I love Android Pay.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Jackie Brown
Sent: 27 February 2018 12:19
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Or, better still, why not take some cash?

Kind regards,

Jackie Brown
Email: Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of michaelmoorehere@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 27 February 2018 12:04
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Iain,

That is correct, the speech is silenced, audible clicks are still 
there and the screen curtain provides privacy.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Iain Lackie
Sent: 27 February 2018 11:49
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

That turns speech off but leaves VoiceOver still running. The screen 
Curtain is a function of VoiceOver.

Iain

On 27 Feb 2018, at 11:36 am, <michaelmoorehere@xxxxxxxxx>
<michaelmoorehere@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

Don't know how easy this would be, sometimes I turn voice over off 
with a double triple tap, this keeps screen curtain on and you can 
press the buttons if you listen for the "clicks" working from the 
bottom up you can go up the center; 0 8 5 2 and locate the side 
numbers too. I know it isn't a perfect option, just trying to get a
work-around meantime.

Kindest,

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Redacted sender "david.g3yxx" for DMARC
Sent: 27 February 2018 11:03
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Mike

Not practical

For example, on older touch screen devices, you could use ordinary 
headphones.
On more recent ones, they have a bespoke connector

ATB

David W Wood


-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of michaelmoorehere@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 27 February 2018 10:57
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi,

Would it be an idea to keep a set of earphones handy and ensure the 
screen curtain is on when entering details?

Kindest,

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Redacted sender "martinwilsher" for DMARC
Sent: 27 February 2018 10:41
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

This is an issue I came across some time ago in a local take out.  I 
told them the problems, and gave them advice.  we came to an 
arrangement about payment with an app the shop used, they refunded me 
the standing charge for the app if I used that to place order, as the 
app
was accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Clive Lever
Sent: 27 February 2018 10:37
To: vi-genaccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'BCAB 
Discussion List' <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [access-uk] Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hello all,



First, please excuse the cross-posting. I apologise in advance, 
especially to those who may receive this message three times, once 
per list. However, I and a number of others feel this is an important 
enough
issue to warrant it.





It has come to the attention of members of another list, that some 
restaurants and shops are no longer offering chip and PIN machines 
when the time comes to pay the bill. Instead, people are being 
presented with an IPad belonging to the service provider 
organisation, and are expected to type their PIN in on a silent, flat
touchscreen.
In one case reported, the customer felt they had no alternative but 
to divulge their PIN number to a member of staff. I've seen this in 
my mobile phone service provider outlet in town. Has anyone here ever 
been embarrassed or frustrated when given an inaccessible piece of 
technology through which to make their payments? The people on the 
other
list (New College Worcester Former Students'
Association) would like to get an idea of the scale of this problem, 
and suggestions as to how it could be resolved, so that they can 
bring the issue into the light and campaign for change. Yes, I know 
that IPads are accessible, but you wouldn't want to turn voiceover 
on, on someone else's IPad in an open plan restaurant, and have it 
announce your personal details to the world at large as you type. At 
my Phone Supplier shop, they suggested turning speech on and playing 
my input back through the shop's Public Address system!



Best,

Clive




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