[access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

  • From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:51:29 -0000

Contactless.  It doesn't need Internet either.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jim Williams
Sent: 27 February 2018 22:11
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi,

And what if there happened to be a major Internet melt down for a couple of
days or weeks, got any cash on you anyone?

Jim Williams
----- Original Message -----
From: "goshawk on horseback" <goshawk_on_horseback@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:42 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops


again, that's all well and good, but again, what about those of us who 
find
getting hold of pesky cash a major pane?

Simon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jackie Brown" <jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:18 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops


Hi Steve

My goodness! How did everyone manage before then?  Yes people get mugged 
and
much worse, and it's just awful.  But try saying cash should be outlawed 
to
someone with Parkinsons or MS or Motor Neurone diseases?  Their 
independence
and quality of life is already so compromised, so add insult to injury by
taking away their basic right to buy food and whatever else by forcing 
them
to use something they never could?  Sorry and all that, but there has to 
be
a middle ground for things like this, it can't all be about hugging your
Smartphone for every single thing you do in life!

Kind regards,

Jackie Brown
Email: Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info
Follow me on Twitter: @thebrownsplace
Skype name: thejackmate


-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf ;
Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: 27 February 2018 16:57
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi Jackie,

I do look at the wider picture, but I don't think saying use cash is the
answer.

Nothing worse than going out for a meal with a hundred quid in your back
pocket, then getting mugged.

Your cash gets stolen, so you don't get any money back.  At least if you 
use
a credit card, you are protected somewhat by the credit card company if 
the
card gets stolen and can easily get a refund.

Heck, if I compromised your card details and took money out, your bank 
would
give it back.  Try that with stolen cash.

It's about time cash died.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf ;
Of
Jackie Brown
Sent: 27 February 2018 15:12
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi Steve

But that's you, not everyone is the same, and you have to take that into
account.  The point is that if you offer to pay for a meal with cash or 
your
usual debit or credit card, and the proprietor insists you use a 
touchscreen
or, even worse, asks for your PIN so it can be entered, that isn't
acceptable! You have to look at the wider picture Steve, not just what you
can do with a Smart device.

Kind regards,

Jackie Brown
Email: Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
@thebrownsplace Skype name: thejackmate


-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf ;
Of
Steve Nutt
Sent: 27 February 2018 14:41
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi Jackie,

What an old-fashioned notion, cash. <Big Smile>.

Seriously, I can't wait to get rid of cash, it's the least secure method 
of
carrying money.

I carry less and less of it about nowadays, I love Android Pay.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf ;
Of
Jackie Brown
Sent: 27 February 2018 12:19
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Or, better still, why not take some cash?

Kind regards,

Jackie Brown
Email: Jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
@thebrownsplace Skype name: thejackmate

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf ;
Of
michaelmoorehere@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 27 February 2018 12:04
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Iain,

That is correct, the speech is silenced, audible clicks are still there 
and
the screen curtain provides privacy.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf ;
Of
Iain Lackie
Sent: 27 February 2018 11:49
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

That turns speech off but leaves VoiceOver still running. The screen 
Curtain
is a function of VoiceOver.

Iain

On 27 Feb 2018, at 11:36 am, <michaelmoorehere@xxxxxxxxx>
<michaelmoorehere@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

Don't know how easy this would be, sometimes I turn voice over off
with a double triple tap, this keeps screen curtain on and you can
press the buttons if you listen for the "clicks" working from the
bottom up you can go up the center; 0 8 5 2 and locate the side
numbers too. I know it isn't a perfect option, just trying to get a
work-around meantime.

Kindest,

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Redacted sender "david.g3yxx" for DMARC
Sent: 27 February 2018 11:03
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Mike

Not practical

For example, on older touch screen devices, you could use ordinary
headphones.
On more recent ones, they have a bespoke connector

ATB

David W Wood


-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of michaelmoorehere@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 27 February 2018 10:57
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hi,

Would it be an idea to keep a set of earphones handy and ensure the
screen curtain is on when entering details?

Kindest,

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Redacted sender "martinwilsher" for DMARC
Sent: 27 February 2018 10:41
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

This is an issue I came across some time ago in a local take out.  I
told them the problems, and gave them advice.  we came to an
arrangement about payment with an app the shop used, they refunded me
the standing charge for the app if I used that to place order, as the
app
was accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Clive Lever
Sent: 27 February 2018 10:37
To: vi-genaccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'BCAB
Discussion List' <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [access-uk] Paying for goods via Touchscreens in shops

Hello all,



First, please excuse the cross-posting. I apologise in advance,
especially to those who may receive this message three times, once per
list. However, I and a number of others feel this is an important
enough
issue to warrant it.





It has come to the attention of members of another list, that some
restaurants and shops are no longer offering chip and PIN machines
when the time comes to pay the bill. Instead, people are being
presented with an IPad belonging to the service provider organisation,
and are expected to type their PIN in on a silent, flat touchscreen.
In one case reported, the customer felt they had no alternative but to
divulge their PIN number to a member of staff. I've seen this in my
mobile phone service provider outlet in town. Has anyone here ever
been embarrassed or frustrated when given an inaccessible piece of
technology through which to make their payments? The people on the
other
list (New College Worcester Former Students'
Association) would like to get an idea of the scale of this problem,
and suggestions as to how it could be resolved, so that they can bring
the issue into the light and campaign for change. Yes, I know that
IPads are accessible, but you wouldn't want to turn voiceover on, on
someone else's IPad in an open plan restaurant, and have it announce
your personal details to the world at large as you type. At my Phone
Supplier shop, they suggested turning speech on and playing my input
back through the shop's Public Address system!



Best,

Clive




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