[access-uk] Re: Owner--Re: Re: Braille readers, did you know?
- From: "ron sears" <r.sears1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:50:56 +0100
Christine, am I right in thinking you started it? If so then maybe you
could stop it? Maybe I am wrong, if so then apologies. You are right, it
has been taxing my delete key for weeks.
Cheers
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Owner--Re: Re: Braille readers, did you know?
> All this talk on Brialle still going on here, why don't you fetch the
> subject over to George's Braille list as I think we may have probably
> dominated this access group for long enough, what do you think group
> owner?----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joan Muir" <wjmuir.twadugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:32 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
> Well, the letter sign is used when abbreviations are meant.
>
> However, I agree with you that capitals should be used. I was lucky enough
> to go to a blind school which used capital letters and found this very
> helpful.
>
> I moved to another blind school later on but was glad of my capital
> letters
> knowledge, especially as I went on to become a secretary.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joan.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ari" <aridamoulakis@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:45 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
>> One thing that puzzles me about you guys in the UK, is why doesn't your
>> braille have capitals? Isn't it confusing when you find abreviations of
>> stuff and then how can you tell if the abreviation is supposed to be in
>> caps
>> or not?
>> Ari
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Damon" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:59 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>>
>>> Weren't the religious signs kicked out about 20 years ago?
>>>
>>> I thought that dot 5 L and dot 5 G remained, though?
>>>
>>> There seems little point discussing braille translations, though, when
>>> the
>>> laws of this land, and the publishing industry won't allow us to have
>>> access
>>> to all the books we want to read anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...Damon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:35 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>>
>>>> as a reasonably good braille reader, I think grade 2 is essential and I
>>>> think that most decent braille readers would agree with that, though it
>>>> is
>>>> true to say that contractions can affect people's knowledge of
>>>> spelling.
>>>> The same kind of debates also happen around capitals in Braille.
>>>>
>>>> while it is possible that Braille could die because of a lack of
>>>> teaching
>>>> of
>>>> it, I think the future of Braille is in reading it with a Braille
>>>> display
>>>> or
>>>> Braille note taker. I have read numerous books with the Braillenote
>>>> which
>>>> has 32 cells. I have found reading braille easy to read in this form.
>>>> If
>>>> you have a braille display, then the issue of bulk is clearly not as
>>>> important as it is in hard copy.
>>>>
>>>> I was taught to read Grade 2 Braille and like it, but if I had to
>>>> choose
>>>> between the death of braille and using say 1 grade of uncontracted
>>>> braille
>>>> I
>>>> would certainly go for that.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Paul.bepey" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:39 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Personally, I do not really like grade2 Braille as most of it is in
>>>> contraction form which I feel doesn't help individuals to grasp basic
>>>> skills, Spelling, etc.
>>>> Thanks, Paul
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> =
>>>> Of
>>>> Angel
>>>> Sent: 29 April 2007 12:33
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are talking apples and oranges here, as Louis Braille was French and
>>>> =
>>>> the=20
>>>> contractions commonly used in English Braille are accent marks in
>>>> that=20
>>>> language. Everyone knows contractions make reading Braille much =
>>>> speedier=20
>>>> and save space. I would be happy if there were even more of these and
>>>> =
>>>> we=20
>>>> used grade three as a matter of course. But that will never happen, =
>>>> only in
>>>>
>>>> my dreams.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:55 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Christine,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a proficient Braillist. I just don't like Grade two, because=20
>>>>> there
>>>>> is
>>>>> so much disagreement about it. Louis Braille never invented Grade =
>>>> two, he
>>>>> merely invented Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Christine Weetman
>>>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 16:37
>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Angel, No No No, Not dot five and c in My name, dot five and c
>>>>> for=20
>>>>> Christ, but not in Christmas either! lol Don't ask me why, I was just
>>>>> =
>>>>
>>>>> taught it that way, so I didn't question it. I am a Braille User
>>>>> and=20
>>>>> Proud of it so I don't accept what Steve said (below) braille was=20
>>>>> invented for the
>>>>> benefit of us who Need to use it, so maybe He doesn't and is luckier =
>>>> than
>>>>> us, but I am Full of admiration for those who use braille Correctly =
>>>> and
>>>>> Don't shout about their ignorance!
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best, Christine W,.----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Angel" <Angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:27 PM
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hadn't thought of that about the Christ sign, though if that word
>>>>> appears
>>>>> in another faith's religious context couldn't the sign be used? I =
>>>> think
>>>>> what I meant is it is not faith specific.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Angel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think all of them encompass all faiths, for example Christ is
>>>>>> =
>>>>
>>>>>> definitely Christian. For my part, I am glad they are gone. We
>>>>>> are=20
>>>>>> the only country that used them in terms of Braille, so it didn't=20
>>>>>> make any sense. Mind you, I hate Grade 2 anyway, it is so ambiguous,
>>>>>> =
>>>>
>>>>>> and gives people writing translation software a big headache.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Computer Room Services:
>>>>>> the long cane for blind computer users.
>>>>>> Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277
>>>>>> International: +44(0)1438 742286,
>>>>>> Fax: +44(0)1438 759589
>>>>>> mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,
>>>>>> Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20
>>>>>> Behalf Of Angel
>>>>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 06:49
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always wondered whatever happened to those signs. I didn't know=20
>>>>>> they had been scrapped. As they encompass all faiths I don't
>>>>>> think=20
>>>>>> they ought to have been.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>>>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:42 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all, I have just heard of some Important braille signs which I=20
>>>>>>> always used have been scrapped, What Is this world coming to?
>>>>>>> They=20
>>>>>>> are all religious signs we can't use, has this been done so as
>>>>>>> "Not=20
>>>>>>> to Offend" the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> non-Christians? I doube for a mark of respect, what do you
>>>>>>> think?=20
>>>>>>> Did you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> know and would you still use them in your personal writings? The=20
>>>>>>> nine religious contractions which should never have been scrapped
>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Dot five C for Christ.
>>>>>>> 2. F T H sign for faith.
>>>>>>> 3. G L for glory.
>>>>>>> 4. Dot five G for God.
>>>>>>> 5. G R for grace.
>>>>>>> 6. H L for holy.
>>>>>>> 7. Dot five J for Jesus.
>>>>>>> 8. S T H sign for saith.
>>>>>>> 9. Dots four-five-six u for unto.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what are we going to reuse these signs for now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yours, disgusted, Christine W.
>>>>>>>
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