Andrew, Have used a logitech cordless keyboard for 4 years now. it only works for about 8 to 10 feet from the machine but that is plenty for my use. The key layout is identical to a standard keyboard. Numpad, 6 pack and F keys are all the same. Works perfectly well with Hal from v3.5 to 6.3 as now. The batteries also seem to last about 12 months with constant daily use. hth, Mark Threadgold -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: 24 December 2004 17:41 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Old chestnut: Wireless keyboard/mouse Hi, Recently had a new machine package and got a wireless optical desktop from Microsoft. I hated it for the following reasons: 1. F keys were on a different function, so one had to hold down function plus the f number you required. 2. Mouse had to have new batteries every so often. 3. Certain specific keys missing or bundled with other keys. Can anyone tell me if the Logitech ones are any better? Thanks, Andrew.