THANKSoooohhhhhh! nope, you definitely need an upward writer so you can read what you're doing as you do it. Actually, you could use a computer and braille display to do the same thing, using a text file, if you've got a good shark of a screen reader! Cheers Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Iain Lackie To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: [access-uk] Obsolete Accessibility Hello, Last night's In Touch has caused me to reflect on the Taylor frame and what makes an accessibility product obsolete. I remember the Taylor frame from schooldays and thinking about it, I cannot come up with a product which was better able to demonstrate the layout of an arithmetical problem. Many's the sum I've had to calculate using the frame. A calculator may get the answer right more often than me but it doesn't help in showing how the problem can be worked out. If we are really to achieve greater numeracy among the visually impaired, perhaps it's time the Taylor frame made a comeback. Iain. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Macrae To: recycle-it@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: [access-uk] THANKS This cross posting is so that I can say thanks to people on both lists who either offered or provided the loan of Taylor frames. All the interest was greatly appreciated and the frame was put to good use in last night's In Touch. People might be interested to know that it really did seem to provide the means by which blind people could tackle Sudoku puzzles. Sadly it is now obsolete. I'll be returning the frames to those people who sent me them in the next day or so. Thanks again. Ian http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net