Steve, you've answered all the questions I wanted to know perfectly. Thought as much (laughing again). I must admit I use my phone wherever I can for most things. It came into its own recently and we weren't easily parted I can tell you. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Nutt To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Notetakers again Hi Terry, I agree with you that Humanware UK's support of the Braillenote is exceptional as far as it goes. However, there are still serious issues with Keysync and the Braillenote PK Version 7.5. It will only ever sync to my machine once, then I have to reset the BN and re-establish the partnership. This is not at all good. New Zealand know about this, but haven't fixed it yet. So I would say the UK support is great as far as it goes, but Humanware as a whole, seem a bit slow at fixing problems from headquarters. As for networking, I would have to disagree with you that it is good, it is frankly rubbish. It does not support browsing files on a networked machine for a start, something that is easy with Pacmate. It doesn't support Bluetooth fully, transferring files for example, only the Serial Protocol. Heck, it doesn't even support Bluetooth audio so you could use a Bluetooth headset. In summary then, I would say that the Braillenote is conceptually the best machine out there in my opinion, as a note taker, but as a PDA they are all pretty ropey. I use the PK mainly for GPS work, as I think that Sendero still have the best implementation of GPS, followed by Wayfindder. But for real PDA work, I use a good old Symbian phone, connected to a Handytech Braillino. All the best Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper Sent: 02 January 2008 14:34 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Notetakers again Hi. From a networking point of view the BN range is now very flexible, and KeyWeb is OK although purely because I don't use it as much as my PC I personally don't find it as intuitive as I would if I used it more. There are however still some issues with file format. Now the M-Power and PK does read word formats to a certain degree, although in fact all its doing is using a Microsoft filter and converting the file before importing it into keyword. The result is often that either the word format cannot be read, or it gets messed up. Tables, well again some issues here I'm afraid. I find that basic tables are OK but tables which contain advanced formatting again problematic. My general view this whole topic for what it's worth is that there isn't one notetaker that does everything. I agree with Brian that the PacMate has lots of potential if you are able to script, however falls down by default badly if you are a brailleist. The BrailleNote range on the other hand whilst offering a great user interface, and lots of overall stability lacks some of the things which busy people need when on the move like a text and voice chat facility. The best advice has to be talk to people who are independent and who understand the product range and choices in detail, and if you can talk to users particularly about stability reliability and the level of support you get from the supplier. Terry Clasper. MSM: terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: terryclasper Private E-Mail: terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Work E-Mail: terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: ari To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Notetakers again Hi Deon, I looked once at the ELba, but no go, as it hasn't been updated from 2005, I don't know how well it's grade 2 support is, it can't even work with Word, you have to apparrently convert them first, I wouldn't get it now, maybe earlier or if it was updated, and it only has a USB port which can't takea memory stick, because it can only receive data. I've heard of the Icon, but their site says they won't send outside the US, and anyway, I've got no idea of their braille or word processor. Ari __________ NOD32 2760 (20080102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com