the critical problem with the pacmate was that it used a version of Windows Mobile before Windows Mobile 5 and, when the battery died so did any data that you had not saved to a memory card or similar device. This issue at least ought to be fixed with the release of PacMate Omni, but it really is difficult to say what Braille support would be like. Also, a number of people had issues with data being lost and a hard reset being required if the Braille display was disconnected from PacMate. I don't know if this one is yet solved either. Personally I want a Braille note taker that will allow me to take notes in meetings and write Word documents on a train that can be exported to my PC and work with minimal fuss. I want a device really that will support word documents properly and I would probably choose to work with a QWERTTY keyboard if I had to choose one over the other but, ideally, I would like to use both and choose between them. In many ways, a laptop would be ideal for many users as they will read Word documents and indeed many other formats. They can be got to play many audio formats. They can be very portable. Braille displays are small and can be carried in the bag with the laptop. As well as the inconvenience of having to connect the Braille display to the laptop whenever it is to be used, the other problem is that laptops take some time to boot up and this can be a disadvantage though one that most could live with I think. The real problem for laptops is battery life. I thinnk that with a speech synthesiser and a USB or Bluetooth Braille display you would do well to get 5 hours out of a laptop. A Braillenote MPower lasts about 15 hours and the new PacMate Omni claims to have a battery life of over 25 hours In summary then I would say Braillenote is the more flexible option as it has Bluetooth and is really designed with the Braille user in mind. the new PacMate Omni looks an interesting proposition as data storage ought to be sorted but Braille is much more of a bolt-on issue for this device. Laptops offer most flexibility and they can be portable but battery life is a serious issue and you will have to connect the Braille display up whenever you want to use the laptop which could be inconvenient. Regards Graham Graham Page Home Phone: 0207 265 9493 Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Notetakers again Hi Ari Having used both BrailleNote (though not MPower) and Pac Mate, I can tell you briefly my experiences with the two units. BrailleNote, as it used to be in its classic format, was solid and robustly built. But my gripes with it were, firstly, you couldn't work with true Word documents because they were saved as RTF files and, therefore, caused formatting issues for me. Secondly, I could overwrite on BrailleNote, which meant that as a very fast Braillist, it was easy for me to trip it up in the middle of a shorthand exam, causing the text to jump portions and land elsewhere in the document. But Pac Mate had some horrendous issues that I couldn't stand, namely its poor battery life, complicated chord structure, and loss of data. The latter has been a real source of aggro for years, and is something that a really close friend of mine is having hassle with on a daily basis. If you take them at face value and use them simply as note-takers, I would have to say that the Humanware product is more reliable and robustly built. In some ways, I wish I'd not jumped ship to Pac Mate, thinking it would be better to work with off-the-shelf software. It doesn't always work out that way. At the time, BrailleNote didn't support Bluetooth and struggled with the Internet and networking. I can't speak for the MPower as I've never used it. But my sources tell me it really has stepped up a few gears since the early 2000s. If someone were to ask me what to go for now, I think I'd say think very carefully what you need the device for, and go from there. BrailleNote worked for me a treat at college to a point, but it dropped me right in it a few times as well. But Pac Mate's problems are more serious and I wouldn't recommend that family at all now, having found it out to my cost. I've had my friend literally in tears on the phone because he's lost data at crucial times during his work. He now has to save data on the internal flash memory of Pac Mate, which is quite lousy. It has a known issue of resetting itself at random, which causes everything you've saved to be lost. Yes, you could use CF cards to overcome the problem, which I largely did, but it still reset itself on me for nothing, and I felt like introducing it to the garden via a closed window on many occasions (smile). Support for it isn't clever either, and I'm only being honest. Good luck. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "ari" <aridamoulakis@xxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Notetakers again > Hi Ian and Ray, > Thanks for these, I just wish Humanware could offer some sort of trade in > or something. About the braille sense, does anyone know what languages it > can support or does it just support English? Also Ian, with the MPower, do > you have to write in computer braille (which I've really not liked at > all!)? > Thanks > Ari > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq __________ NOD32 2741 (20071221) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq