Jackie, Just breezing in here - the PK does have most of the facilities of the mPower, though not all. You can't print, but I don't care about that. You don't have the FM radio either, but again I don't want it. Maybe you can write faster on the mPower, though personally I can write faster on the PK, but they both have speed limits ... and everyone hates having to slow down! Maybe I've forgotten some (half asleep today I'm afraid), but they're the ones that readily spring to mind. Incidentally, Mike has an mPower and I have a PK, so I use both whenever I want, though primarily choose to go with the PK, partly because of its size and weight. No there's not masses of difference, really, but enough, especially if you have back problems and want to take something to write everywhere you go! -- Carol carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Cairns To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Notetakers again Terry, I reckon you've summed it up nicely. I had major issues with BN in its original format when I was given Word documents to open that needed to keep their formatting. It drove me utterly round the bend, so I had to abandon it for complex work. I also absolutely detested its file structure. It seemed to me that, back then, you had to put all your folders in the route. If you made sub-folders within folders, you had a job getting to them, and couldn't type in a path to get to them without doing something really stupid if my memory serves me correctly. I thought PM was better and easier in that regard. I could use ActiveSync no problem, but couldn't do anything with a network, or even get it to recognise a card. But, for me, I could wipe the floor with it when writing Braille. I was just too fast for it by a mile. My friend with the PM also floored it when he had a demonstration, which is why he opted for PM instead. I thought GPS on it was very good though, even back then. I've heard it's even better now. The advice I give people now when they ask me directly about note-takers is think about what you want it to do; who's paying for it; and if Braille isn't a necessity, use a laptop because it'll do everything if lugging it isn't a problem. What is the difference overall between PK and MPower though, apart from their size? What do you miss out on by having the MPower over the PK if they are from the same stable? I'm only asking for reference purposes. I have regular discussions with people who are in work or education, and they ask me what they should go for. None I laugh (smile). Thanks. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clasper To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Notetakers again Hi. From a networking point of view the BN range is now very flexible, and KeyWeb is OK although purely because I don't use it as much as my PC I personally don't find it as intuitive as I would if I used it more. There are however still some issues with file format. Now the M-Power and PK does read word formats to a certain degree, although in fact all its doing is using a Microsoft filter and converting the file before importing it into keyword. The result is often that either the word format cannot be read, or it gets messed up. Tables, well again some issues here I'm afraid. I find that basic tables are OK but tables which contain advanced formatting again problematic. My general view this whole topic for what it's worth is that there isn't one notetaker that does everything. I agree with Brian that the PacMate has lots of potential if you are able to script, however falls down by default badly if you are a brailleist. The BrailleNote range on the other hand whilst offering a great user interface, and lots of overall stability lacks some of the things which busy people need when on the move like a text and voice chat facility. The best advice has to be talk to people who are independent and who understand the product range and choices in detail, and if you can talk to users particularly about stability reliability and the level of support you get from the supplier. Terry Clasper. MSM: terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: terryclasper Private E-Mail: terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Work E-Mail: terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: ari To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Notetakers again Hi Deon, I looked once at the ELba, but no go, as it hasn't been updated from 2005, I don't know how well it's grade 2 support is, it can't even work with Word, you have to apparrently convert them first, I wouldn't get it now, maybe earlier or if it was updated, and it only has a USB port which can't takea memory stick, because it can only receive data. I've heard of the Icon, but their site says they won't send outside the US, and anyway, I've got no idea of their braille or word processor. Ari __________ NOD32 2760 (20080102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com