Andy, I accept what you're saying about navigation, and the same would go for Window-Eyes. Catheryn did ask for something a bit simpler though, and that's what Tom came up with. From Ray I can be contacted off-list at: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Andy Collins Sent: 21 March 2007 2:59PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: National rail website The National Rail website seems to have changed again recently, and is less easy to access search results as quickly as in previous incarnations, in my opinion; However, and I know it isn't what Catherine wants to hear, but with JFW, by learning about the use of table navigation, it is quite accessible. I know there is a lot to learn with a screen reader, but they are very powerful tools, that's part the reason we pay so much for them. I'm not a JFW expert, but over the years I have learnt more and more about what the Shark can do for me. I do feel disgruntled by the cost of upgrades, and how with each new release things that use to work get broken, and would migrate to Window Eyes, but so far, haven't gathered the courage for the serious learning curve that would entail! - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Turner" <catherineturner2000@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Access-UK" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: [access-uk] National rail website | Hi, | | Quite a general question I know, but I'm fed up with the national rail | website and how long it takes me to find the info I need when I search for | details of train journeys and how, in my opinion, badly structured and user | unfriendly it is. | | I don't want to start a long debate about people knowing how to use their | assistive technologies v web usability/accessibility but I would appreciate | it if people could just try and plan a journey (by which I just mean find | out what times trains are to a particular place, where/when the changes are | and what time they arrive) and let me know whether they find it | acceptable/frustrating getting to this information. I do, and I suppose I | wouldn't if I only had to use it now and then but I use it regularly and am | getting fed up with the obscure ways I deal with it. Would just appreciate | some feedback. | | http://www.nationalrail.co.uk | | Catherine | ** | Skype: darkitude | MSN: catherineturner2000@xxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq