Jonathon - all This was the hidden agenda when Mr Brown merged Inland Revenue and Customs and Excise, giving the same powers of the latter (greater than the police) to the tax department. Now, it is becoming more evident. My next comment is not meant to provoke a discussion, but there is no need for identity cards as we already have a tax code or N.I. number which gives clues to our lives and status! Purely a statement Mr Moderator! ATB David W Wood -----Original Message----- From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jonathan H Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:32 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: National Security Agency gathering loads of personal information. Two quick points here: 1: The opt-out box is not exactly hidden away - it's the only box on this page: https://plus.google.com/settings/endorsements?hl=en Scroll, tick, save, job done. And it's not like there haven't been large banners right at the top of every google service I sign into, since the change. 2: To be honest, I am far, FAR more concerned about the invasion of privacy that is The Taxman. After all, as I'm not planning to blow anything up or look at any kiddyporn, I really do doubt that MI5/FBI/whoever is really that interested in this morning's browsing for rotary encoders and tutorials on the assembler computer language. However, The Taxman has, by use of violence, the ability to over-ride all my wishes and demand full details of my activities, both business and personal, in order that I should act as an unpaid tax collector so that I may work every day and hand over all earnings until mid-June so that the government may p*** it away on vanity projects, war, crazy feed-in tariffs and so on. Between Google giving me the choice to use or not use a service and opt in or opt out or policies, and the government giving me no choice in what the money is steals from me is spent on, I know which is farm far more alarming to me. On 15 October 2013 13:04, <Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hello all, I'm not shooting the messenger but: I protest! It should surely be an opt-in, as some people may not tick the box because they have difficulty seeing it. I feel a campaign coming on. Best, Clive Clive Lever Diversity and Equality Officer Kent County Council Office: 01622 221163 <tel:01622%20221163> Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx Kent County Council Room G37 Sessions House Maidstone, Kent. ME14 1XQ -----Original Message----- From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angel Sent: 15 October 2013 12:45 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: National Security Agency gathering loads of personal information. According to Google, their new privacy policy will involve, if we don't check the box saying we don't want our picture disseminated and sold to third party adds the selling of personal pictures, they shall be. It seems, this involves all who socially interact sending personal pictures. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Howard" <colin@xxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:03 AM Subject: [access-uk] National Security Agency gathering loads of personal information. > Greetings, > > On Up All Night broadcast Tuesday morning from 01:00-05:00 BBC 5Live, > there was an interesting discussion about the United States National > Security Agency gathering lots of information about us, via it's > snooping operations. > It seems this practice is more wide spread than we might believe. > > I have the item on Dropbox, file properties information and modified > download link follow. > > I intend deleting the file from DropBox on Thursday, 2013/10/24 mid > day UK time. > > From Up all Night 2013 10 15 - NSA collecting masses of ... > General Summary > 's snooping on private individuals worldwide.mp3 Type of file: Winamp > media file Opens with: Winamp Change... > Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Colin\My Documents\ > Size: 3.00 MB (3,151,008 bytes) > Size on disk: 3.00 MB (3,153,920 bytes) > Created: 15 October 2013, 07:03:50 > Modified: 15 October 2013, 07:04:04 > Accessed: 15 October 2013, 08:55:15 > Attributes: Read-only Hidden Advanced... > OK Cancel Apply > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7644179/From%20Up%20all%20Night%20 > 2013%2010%2015%20-%20NSA%20collecting%20masses%20of%20personal%20email > %20addresses%20to%20assist%20with%20it%27s%20snooping%20on%20private%2 > 0individuals%20worldwide.mp3?dl=1 > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq