Hi,
I find numbers spoken as digits a hell of a lot easier to remember and quote
back than numbers quoted in terms of trillions. Also, when you come across an
unnecessarily long untagged element on a web page that throws meaningless
numbers at you, whole numbers with their trillions, billions, millionsand
thousands take a lot longer to speak or bypass than do numbers as digits.
The only times I would want whole numbers read out are in tables which are all
about money or other figures, or in sentences like:
There were nine million four hundred and fifty-three Thousand three hundred and
sixty-eight bicycles in Beijing when Katie Melua recorded the song, but the
full total wouldn't scan into the lyrics!
Best,
Clive
Best,
Clive
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I agree with you, Steve. I think automatically spoken is better, and if anyone
doesn't want that then they can change it manually. Something that maybe I will
suggest that to the developers. But all screen readers does it differently I
suppose.
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Hi,
This still overlooks the fact that some people want to hear digits all
the time. I know someone with hearing loss who prefers digits.
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Why not use the NVDA command "spell the word" Numpad 5 on desktop
which reads the numbers as single digits?
On 1/20/2016 9:48 PM, Mike Ray wrote:between reading out a sring of digits as a whole number and reading it
Great stuff Clive.
I guess we've all done the headphone/telephone shuffle, trying to
keep the headphones over one ear and the telephone over the other
ear. Don't need the added complication of the screen-reader gabbling
one million two hundred and thirty four thousand six hundred and seventy
eight.
Only took me about six attempts to get that right :-/
On 20/01/2016 16:03, Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hello all,
I have just sent a request to the developers to incorporate the
choice
digit by digit. And also to suggest that a sting of digits with
letters interspersed should be spoken one digit at a time, for example:
digits in your head when you need to quote that reference back overOur ref: G12345678H/235/K would be easier to remember if read as:
G 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 H/2 3 5/K
And it's important not to have to convert whole numbers to a series
of
the phone to a service provider.
Of Henry Miller
Best,
Clive
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Hi Mike
I fully agree with you-well said.
Best wishes
Henry
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changes back to the developers, and to have some influence on what it does.Sent: 20 January 2016 15:19
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I'd actually go further than this...
NVDA is Open Source. It is possible not only to change it, but to
feed
down when talking about software, and no doubt other things as well.
I know that 'you get what you pay for' is a common maxim but it
breaks
It would be better if it ran something like this 'you get what they
think they can give you (the bare minimum) for the maximum price, and
you have to keep paying or they cut you off'.
there and you might not realise that you use a lot of it every time
There is a mass of free (as in as a bird) and Open Source software
out
you browse a web site and make a purchase.
product and be held to ransom and forced to pay more than my computer
NVDA is more than just a thing which is 'a bit better than narrator'.
Even if I could afford it there is no way I would buy Jaws or any
Dolphin
cost just so I could use it.
package that does the same thing just as well which DOES work with NVDA.
There is more than one way to swing a cat applies very much to software.
If package ABC does not work with NVDA then chances are there is an
XYZ
downright annoying, but a thousand pound price tag isn't one of them.Sure there are things about NVDA which are either quirky or just
number, so in my files which contain phone numbers I put a space
So numbers get read out as words...which is annoying when it's a
phone
between each number. Just saved myself a thousand quid there.
Mike
On 20/01/2016 14:43, dudleym@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:narrator.
The big boys charge big bucks, NVDA is free. You get what you pay
for in life and if you can't afford it then at least NVDA is better
than
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I know, but the big boys can handle it, JFW and Window-Eyes and
even Supernova has number control. It should be a basic function
of any screen reader. I'm surprised NVDA doesn't do it at core
level, since it was written by two blind guys and you'd think
numbers as words all the time would drive them up the wall, especially
when programming.
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Hello,
Not trying to hijack, but even IOS has issues with something like
999999, or a phone number, at least, with punctuation disabled.
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Incredible.
Hi,
Wow and a screen reader never had that basic feature until now?
How did everyone put up with it? Phone numbers anyone?Behalf
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Steve, your correct but there has been a patch submitted some time
just not had the love yet.I'd love
On 18/01/2016 20:54, Steve Nutt wrote:
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I believe that's one thing you can't do with NVDA. If you can,
toBehalf
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Hi
Please could someone remind me how to change the settings to
numbers?NVDA speaks individual digits when announcing a long string of
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