Hi Steve,
Free training - No, that's not my style! I'd rather give it than get it!
I think it's you that has missed the point, actually ... Perhaps it's
difficult for you to appreciate, because you are so able and continue to
be able to learn and change with times, but there are many VI's who, for
whatever reason, cannot do this, particularly over a long period, with
health issues, other disabilities etc. I felt that it is right that the
average person in the street should understand that it's not quite so
average for us and that we have an awful lot more to learn than just
using our eyes, pointing mice and making things look good ... (I'm
probably being over symplistic there, but never mind.) I was therefore
speaking quite generally about what is involved for us.
I could continue but probably won't right now.
In closing, when's my first free training session then! <Big smiles>
Carol P
On 31/08/2016 12:01, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi Carol,
You have to understand though that the article I wrote, was for the man in
the street, who knows absolutely nothing about accessible phone tech. The
audience was as much aimed at sighted people. It was not designed to teach
you how to use any tech, just to give an overall idea of what's available.
What you're really after is free training <Smile>.
All the best
Steve
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Carol Pearson (Redacted sender "carol.pearson29" for DMARC)
Sent: 22 August 2016 17:59
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: My take on accessibility
Well, I'm just piggy-backing on this one as I didn't get round to reading it
earlier.
Yes, it was a useful article for those who need to know, but it didn't give
too much, which would have left the average "man in the street" totally
baffled! ...
I personally think that (because you are technically very savvy and love
playing with something new) you're doing great yourself, but for every one
person who does really well with their Accessible solutions, there are
others who don't or just can't get where they need to be. The reasons for
this include but are not limited to:
1) The person's starting point and ability to learn has a considerable
bearing on the ultimate result of his/her achievements with the
ever-changing accessable products available.
2) Insufficient care is often not taken by those selling equipment and/or
those assessing and recommending what an individual should use. (Of course,
it can be argued that some just buy for the sake of it and are not able to
manage that which appealed so much to them at the time!)
3) Technology is changing so fast that people get to a "stop" point when
they just can't learn any more ....
4) The amount of teaching required is not given and therefore
sometimes/quite often - - those of us struggling a bit (or a lot) are
therefore limited by what they are able to learn for themselves. This isn't
always sufficient ...
And so the list could go on ...
I am not convinced that Braille has got where it really needs to be for most
folk. After all, who wants to couple learning of a phone or tablet with a
Braille display, the intricasies of learning the differences that
BrailleBack makes to an already learned (learning) TalkBack system, or
alternatively, struggling with corrections that they may have to make after
dictation.
Finally, for this post, Coping with those things that go wrong and without
sight are just either difficult, extremely difficult and time-consuming or
just impossible to sort!
Can we go back 50 years? No, no, I don't think so!
However, it's good to get away from the technology sometimes and just take a
break - so I'll do that right now!
Well done though, Steve, on your concise and useful contribution.
Carol P
On 22/08/2016 10:53, CJ &AA MAY wrote:
Congratulations, Steve, a well thought-out and informative article,
especially for those who know little or nothing about accessibility.
Alison
