Justin, my understanding of the screen magnification builtin to OS X is that it is quite good, and I've heard its very clear in higher magnification. I don't know how flexible it is, but I hope that Andrewwill get around to giving it a try as I seem to recall he has some useful sight. Might be interesting too how effectively it works alongside SpeakOver. Given my disatisfaction with the on-going exspense of upgrading Zoomtext in the UK, its just one more reason why I might consider that, £400-500 spent on a Mac might satisfy my needs in the DTP area more cost effectively than on the PC. Sure, there is certainly a steep learning curve to start with, but I am interested in info coming this way about the Mac in order to help assertain the viability of the Mac as an alternative to a cost-conscious user like me. Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin R" | Hi all, | | This is very interesting as, several friends of mine have spoken about macs | in the past and how much better they are than PC's generally. | | What I'd like to know is that as the mac does have a screanreader built in. | Does it also have a screen "Macnifier" ? Sorry, couldn't resist that! | | Does it though? I get nervous with just a screen reader as, I wouldn't be | able to see what was going on, especially if anything went wrong. | | Justin | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Ray's Home" | > To Mary, who might not know, I might also add to Andrew's post, that the | > operating system which comes with all Macs now includes a screen reader | > for ffree as part of the operating system. Hence Andrew's and others' | > interest in the Mac. Its a fair bet that many including Andrew, might be | > attracted by the stability and relative lack of bugs in the Apple OS, not | > to mention that the writers of viruses give it less trouble as they tend | > not to target the Mac to anything like the exstent they plague us Windows | > users. Arguably, the Apple OS is more secure too. | > Ray | > | > Personal emails: Email me at | > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Andrew Hodgson" | > | > | Hi Ray, | > | | > | The machine is virtually noise free. It does make a bit of noise if | > | I have my head right by the machine, yes, I can hear a small noise, | > | but it is silent from my desk. | > | | > | I have managed to mess up the config in VO a couple of times, and it | > | is not reading what I wanted. However, there are reset buttons which | > | seem to do the business. The voice I think isn't that bad, and it | > | does get most things right. However, a Dectalk voice would be good. | > | It is certainly one hell of a lot better than the Narator voice!! | > | | > | I am still waiting for my long message to Mac Visionaries to get | > | through, but it hasn't yet, so I am still waiting to find things out. | > | | > | Will keep you in touch. | > | Andrew. | > | | > | On 24 Sep 2005, at 13:52, Ray's Home wrote: | > | | > | > Facinating Andrew, and please keep your comments coming to the | > | > list. You might give us some pointers to what you think of the | > | > bundled voices for starters, although I know you can opt to upgrade | > | > to better sounding voices. | > | > | > | > Once you've got the Voice Over a bit more sorted, you might, | > | > further down the line give us some idea of whether the speech | > | > recognition side of things in O SX works at all with Voice Over. | > | > If it did, or will, eventually, then that's one hell of a price | > | > advantage over current Windows options working with screen readers. | > | > | > | > One final question, how much noise does the Mini make? I've seen | > | > one in a local store but there was way too much shop noise gauge | > | > accurately how intrusive or not the box noise might be. | > | > | > | > Looking forward to your findings. | > | > Ray | > | > | > | > Personal emails: Email me at | > | > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx | > | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > | > From: "Andrew Hodgson" | > | > | > | > | Hi all, | > | > | | > | > | I got my Mac Mini yesterday and I must say I am completely impressed | > | > | with the system. When I started the system, it gave me a short | > | > | tutorial on the Voice Over package, and its keyboard shortcuts. I | > | > | think the main thing is not go go into this with the expectation | > | > that | > | > | you will be hand fed the OS in a Windows fashion, as the OS is | > | > | certainly not Windows, and has several new concepts. I am still | > | > | floundering to a grate degree, but am able to now read/reply to mail | > | > | in the Exchange account, am able to read Mac online help, move files | > | > | around on the hard disk, and have changed a few preferences. | > | > | | > | > | I am still waiting to be able to connect to our network folders, (I | > | > | am able to connect to our NAS, but cannot connect to our domain or | > | > | our W2k3 server). | > | > | | > | > | One thing this Mac is the one with the CD and DVD burner installed, | > | > | as I wanted to see how easy it is to get running. It also comes | > | > with | > | > | a bluetooth and wireless card installed, which I got partially | > | > | working last night to provide wireless Internet access. This is | > | > | quite amazing that you get all this in such a small package. | > | > | | > | > | Hope this information is helpful. | > | > | Andrew. | > | > | | > | > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq