[access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
- From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:43:27 +0100
Yes, me too. Sometimes it is plain that they have replicated problems and
informed S and S about them, for precisely no result. Do not judge Sight and
Sound by the product, apart rom that they are wise to be the sole dealer
from a business point of view!
Cheers
Dave
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
chris hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:17 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
Same here. Had no issues with Sight and Sound and they've dealt with my
concerns or queries very well.
Chris Hallsworth
E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On 12/05/2010 14:07, Barry Toner wrote:
> Hi Jackie and all,
>
> I often think that Window Eyes not only gets a low market hit World Wide
> compared to JAWS because in aprt of it's early hook-ins with Rehab places
> but it's awful over here in the UK.
>
> System Access and NVDA very much have their place. However, I truly
believe
> that Window Eyes should be touted allot more than it is. I'm just not
sure
> how to do it. Re: The guys at Sight And Sound, I've never had a bad word
> to say about them. I'd rather speak to them in allot of instances than
FS.
> Smiles
>
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
> Jackie Cairns
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:13 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>
> Hi Barry
>
> As you have initiated the thread on this list, I will just echo my
personal
> frustrations and say that I too am about to defect full-time to
Window-Eyes
> for exactly the same reasons as yourself. I would go further by saying
that
> I know at least three others who are doing likewise.
>
> As you know, I am leaving Sight and Sound next week as an employee, and I
> have no animosity towards my employers as I have enjoyed two very happy
> years with them. But, as an end user, and a JAWS person for 11 years, I
> feel it is time to move because I am also against the practices of Freedom
> Scientific, the bugginess of the program itself, and its licensing gravy
> train. There just comes a point when you feel enough is enough!
>
> Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I'll remember them when I too hurl
bad
> language at my PC, (smile).
>
>
> Jackie Cairns
> Braille Specialist
> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
> Welton House North Wing
> Summerhouse Road
> Moulton Park
> Northampton
> NN3 6WD
> Tel: 01604 798024
> Mob: 07887 883815
> www.sightandsound.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
> Barry Toner
> Sent: 11 May 2010 12:17
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>
> Hi all,
>
> I started writing this late last night and ran out of steam. I posted it
to
> the GWMICRO-INFO list under the thread of I've Something To Say.
>
> It's not the best piece I've ever written but I wanted to share my
> experiences with you all as a long-term JAWS user.
>
> Messege Starts
>
> " I can also chime in on this thread with a personal tale.
>
> I have been using Window Eyes on and off for around 6 years.
>
> I lost my sight in an accident when I was18 years old. I frustrated
myself
> with Hal for about 2 years and then I found JAWS. Whilst it did not
replace
> being able to use Windows with sight it was a breath of fresh air compared
> to Hal 4.2. Especially when it came to surfing the Internet. This would
> have been JAWS 3.7 I started with.
>
> I've watched the decline of JAWS over the years in terms of problems not
> being fixed, new ones being introduced and generally allot of half-baked
> product development going through out onto the market. Not to mention as
I
> see them very fluffy plug ins and the nightmare that has always existed
JAWS
> licensing.
>
> Despite these failings I was not prepared to move outside of my comfort
> zone. Even at the time when my peers where doing so and I would have most
> benefited from their support and vice versa.
>
> In saying this I completed two Computer Science Degrees using JAWS.
Though
> having learnt what I have in the past weeks things just as a fact would
have
> been allot easier with Window Eyes. What's that old saying though? About
> heinsight being twenty twenty.
>
> Just over three weeks back I decided I wanted to learn to use Window Eyes.
> I didn't' say too much to friends who would only think that we'd been
there
> before. When they tried to get me to see the light, so to speak.
>
> I sat down and thought how best to approach Window Eyes this time.
> Something that would be different from previous half-hearted attempts to
> give the product a fair go.
>
> So, I decided I would use Window Eyes and no other screen reader for 1
full
> week. No matter what task I needed to do on the computer. I made a
> commitment despite my tasks priority to use Window Eyes. I was determined
> to learn how to do it with Window Eyes.
>
> This was allot harder than it may sound. Especially as I'm really not
that
> much of a committed person when it comes to Window Eyes. Or rather I
> wasn't.
>
> So I unloaded JAWS and installed Win Eyes v7.11 onto my Windows 7 32Bit
> Desktop.
>
> I really needed to make this a genuine attempt. I decided to make it a
> social experiment instead of a hardcore, I'm going to do this and if I go
> back to JAWS I've failed. So I announced on my twitter and Face Book
feeds
> what I was going to do. I then sent updates several times a day including
> @gwmicro in the thread of the good, bad and ugly.
>
>
> Let me tell you the language I through at the computer for the first three
> days was disgraceful! But when I learned how to use the Mouse Keys,
started
> to read sections of the excellently layed out manual, joined this list and
> discovered Script Central I started to get a bit excited.
>
> One of my main frustrations was the amount of times v7.11 would do odd
> things. By this I mean it would clip words in Outlook 2K7. Scripts would
> crash, Window Eyes would crash if set to load upon log-in. I discovered
> that Window Eyes wasn't as infallible as the fan boys and girls made it
out
> to be. Oh yes and I got a healthy taster that no doubt End_users I've
> supported as a Systems Engingeer have gotten from me a time or too. That
> of, "uh that's weird" "It doesnt' do it on my machine like that". This
> maybe true but it's not a helpful response!
>
> So for me it's not been an experience of "The most stable Screen Reader".
> JAWS for me still holds that trophy on my system. Well, it would if it
was
> still installed.
>
> It's been over three weeks and I've not went back despite user error
> problems and bugs with Window Eyes.
>
> Now, it is fair to say that a new user of a product will often make
mistakes
> through just not knowing. I'm not exceempt from this. However, there's
> allot going on in a person learning a new thing. Whither that is a
computer
> program, folding lawndry etc.
>
> So why might you ask despite the problems I had and in some cases like the
> clipping words didn't' I just do the easy thing and switch back? Simple,
> I'd decided I'd rather put up with some problems that can either be worked
> round or ignored until they are either fixed or I'm told of something I'm
> not doing to get Window Eyes to do what I want. In doing so I get the
> wonderful functionality and fresh approach Window Eyes has given to my
> computing. This compared to the stale product that did, serve me well for
a
> time but has frankly become a bit of a farse in comparison. I.E. JAWS.
>
> I used to believe that JAWS and Window Eyes both had their place. I
> believed this kept me nutral and made me unlike The Zellots, (as I saw
them
> at the time), who sat in each camp throwing muck back and forth.
>
> I find myself looking on at other people in my life who are using JAWS and
> struggling and want to cry out to them. Look, you dont' need to carry on
> with those bad habits you learned with JAWS. Tabbing all over the screen
> and not using keystrokes in say,and Installer Wizard of alt n for Next.
>
> It's incredible the amount of JAWS users who are not aware of how to use
the
> JAWS Cursor. that's a real bug bear of mine now having used Window Eyes
> mouse Keys. the fact you need to completely switch to a different mode
then
> back to the PC Cursor mode. no wonder people get confused!
>
> I could detail my own feelings on a lengthy list of JAWS short comings not
> to mention the iresponsable way Freedom Scientific treat customers. I'd
> only be preaching to the crowd and end up falling into the camp of "My
ones
> bigger than yours".
>
> I'd like to think i can lead by example to people I know that use JAWS and
I
> see struggling with the mindset it forces on people of the old and
> comfortable. By letting them see my completley fresh approach and no
longer
> fear of trying something new just for fun. Sadly though I'm a geek and I
> believe most of my friends will discount what I'm doing as down to that.
> rather than, "I could be having that much fun and productivity as well".
>
> Trailing off a bit as I need to get out before the rain starts here!"
>
> Barry Toner
>
>
> BCS Belfast Branch
> YPG Representative& Disability Group
>
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>
>
>
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