[access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:19:46 +0100
Hi Saqib,
They are not supported very well though in System Access, only at a very
basic level.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Saqib
Sent: Tuesday 11 May 2010 16:30
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
Hi Ibrahim. System Access do support Braille Displays. I think they
support the plug and play type. I've never seen a Braille display in my
life but I do no that they support them. Perhaps not as many as GWMicro.
Original message:
> Hi Saqib.
> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think system access supports
> braille displays. It only provides speech and magnification options.
> All the best, Ibrahim.
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> From: "Saqib" <saqib@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:00 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>> Hi Jacky. Wouldn't System Access be any good for you. I know that they
are
>> the poor relations of the three screen readers but SA is very good for
the
>> price and caters for all my computer needs successfully.
>> Original message:
>>> Hi Barry
>>> As you have initiated the thread on this list, I will just echo my
>>> personal frustrations and say that I too am about to defect full-time to
>>> Window-Eyes for exactly the same reasons as yourself. I would go
further
>>> by saying that I know at least three others who are doing likewise.
>>> As you know, I am leaving Sight and Sound next week as an employee, and
I
>>> have no animosity towards my employers as I have enjoyed two very happy
>>> years with them. But, as an end user, and a JAWS person for 11 years, I
>>> feel it is time to move because I am also against the practices of
>>> Freedom Scientific, the bugginess of the program itself, and its
>>> licensing gravy train. There just comes a point when you feel enough is
>>> enough!
>>> Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I'll remember them when I too hurl
>>> bad language at my PC, (smile).
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>>> Welton House North Wing
>>> Summerhouse Road
>>> Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> Of Barry Toner
>>> Sent: 11 May 2010 12:17
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>>> Hi all,
>>> I started writing this late last night and ran out of steam. I posted
it
>>> to the GWMICRO-INFO list under the thread of I've Something To Say.
>>> It's not the best piece I've ever written but I wanted to share my
>>> experiences with you all as a long-term JAWS user.
>>> Messege Starts
>>> " I can also chime in on this thread with a personal tale.
>>> I have been using Window Eyes on and off for around 6 years.
>>> I lost my sight in an accident when I was18 years old. I frustrated
>>> myself with Hal for about 2 years and then I found JAWS. Whilst it did
>>> not replace being able to use Windows with sight it was a breath of
fresh
>>> air compared to Hal 4.2. Especially when it came to surfing the
>>> Internet. This would have been JAWS 3.7 I started with.
>>> I've watched the decline of JAWS over the years in terms of problems not
>>> being fixed, new ones being introduced and generally allot of half-baked
>>> product development going through out onto the market. Not to mention
as
>>> I see them very fluffy plug ins and the nightmare that has always
existed
>>> JAWS licensing.
>>> Despite these failings I was not prepared to move outside of my comfort
>>> zone. Even at the time when my peers where doing so and I would have
>>> most benefited from their support and vice versa.
>>> In saying this I completed two Computer Science Degrees using JAWS.
>>> Though having learnt what I have in the past weeks things just as a fact
>>> would have been allot easier with Window Eyes. What's that old saying
>>> though? About heinsight being twenty twenty.
>>> Just over three weeks back I decided I wanted to learn to use Window
>>> Eyes.
>>> I didn't' say too much to friends who would only think that we'd been
>>> there before. When they tried to get me to see the light, so to speak.
>>> I sat down and thought how best to approach Window Eyes this time.
>>> Something that would be different from previous half-hearted attempts to
>>> give the product a fair go.
>>> So, I decided I would use Window Eyes and no other screen reader for 1
>>> full week. No matter what task I needed to do on the computer. I made
a
>>> commitment despite my tasks priority to use Window Eyes. I was
>>> determined to learn how to do it with Window Eyes.
>>> This was allot harder than it may sound. Especially as I'm really not
>>> that much of a committed person when it comes to Window Eyes. Or rather
>>> I wasn't.
>>> So I unloaded JAWS and installed Win Eyes v7.11 onto my Windows 7 32Bit
>>> Desktop.
>>> I really needed to make this a genuine attempt. I decided to make it a
>>> social experiment instead of a hardcore, I'm going to do this and if I
go
>>> back to JAWS I've failed. So I announced on my twitter and Face Book
>>> feeds what I was going to do. I then sent updates several times a day
>>> including @gwmicro in the thread of the good, bad and ugly.
>>> Let me tell you the language I through at the computer for the first
>>> three days was disgraceful! But when I learned how to use the Mouse
>>> Keys, started to read sections of the excellently layed out manual,
>>> joined this list and discovered Script Central I started to get a bit
>>> excited.
>>> One of my main frustrations was the amount of times v7.11 would do odd
>>> things. By this I mean it would clip words in Outlook 2K7. Scripts
>>> would crash, Window Eyes would crash if set to load upon log-in. I
>>> discovered that Window Eyes wasn't as infallible as the fan boys and
>>> girls made it out to be. Oh yes and I got a healthy taster that no
doubt
>>> End_users I've supported as a Systems Engingeer have gotten from me a
>>> time or too. That of, "uh that's weird" "It doesnt' do it on my
machine
>>> like that". This maybe true but it's not a helpful response!
>>> So for me it's not been an experience of "The most stable Screen
Reader".
>>> JAWS for me still holds that trophy on my system. Well, it would if it
>>> was still installed.
>>> It's been over three weeks and I've not went back despite user error
>>> problems and bugs with Window Eyes.
>>> Now, it is fair to say that a new user of a product will often make
>>> mistakes through just not knowing. I'm not exceempt from this.
However,
>>> there's allot going on in a person learning a new thing. Whither that
is
>>> a computer program, folding lawndry etc.
>>> So why might you ask despite the problems I had and in some cases like
>>> the clipping words didn't' I just do the easy thing and switch back?
>>> Simple, I'd decided I'd rather put up with some problems that can either
>>> be worked round or ignored until they are either fixed or I'm told of
>>> something I'm not doing to get Window Eyes to do what I want. In doing
>>> so I get the wonderful functionality and fresh approach Window Eyes has
>>> given to my computing. This compared to the stale product that did,
>>> serve me well for a time but has frankly become a bit of a farse in
>>> comparison. I.E. JAWS.
>>> I used to believe that JAWS and Window Eyes both had their place. I
>>> believed this kept me nutral and made me unlike The Zellots, (as I saw
>>> them at the time), who sat in each camp throwing muck back and forth.
>>> I find myself looking on at other people in my life who are using JAWS
>>> and struggling and want to cry out to them. Look, you dont' need to
>>> carry on with those bad habits you learned with JAWS. Tabbing all over
>>> the screen and not using keystrokes in say,and Installer Wizard of alt n
>>> for Next.
>>> It's incredible the amount of JAWS users who are not aware of how to use
>>> the JAWS Cursor. that's a real bug bear of mine now having used Window
>>> Eyes mouse Keys. the fact you need to completely switch to a different
>>> mode then back to the PC Cursor mode. no wonder people get confused!
>>> I could detail my own feelings on a lengthy list of JAWS short comings
>>> not to mention the iresponsable way Freedom Scientific treat customers.
>>> I'd only be preaching to the crowd and end up falling into the camp of
>>> "My ones bigger than yours".
>>> I'd like to think i can lead by example to people I know that use JAWS
>>> and I see struggling with the mindset it forces on people of the old and
>>> comfortable. By letting them see my completley fresh approach and no
>>> longer fear of trying something new just for fun. Sadly though I'm a
>>> geek and I believe most of my friends will discount what I'm doing as
>>> down to that.
>>> rather than, "I could be having that much fun and productivity as well".
>>> Trailing off a bit as I need to get out before the rain starts here!"
>>> Barry Toner
>>> BCS Belfast Branch
>>> YPG Representative & Disability Group
>>> http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=nav.10444
>>> Contact me @
>>> Professional: barry.toner@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> Personal Email: barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> MSN/Live: djpaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> AIM/FB: barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> TWITTER: dj_paddy
>>> Skype: djpaddy
>>> Mobile: (UK) +44 (0) 7921 611 253
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