[access-uk] Re: More Sight Village and In touch
- From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:36:51 +0100
and yet we have programs like In our Time which perhaps assume more
hystorical knowledge of the area being discussed.
Radio 4 does seem happy to offer programs of people with great knowledge
talking about history, pholosophy etc. but it seems to shy away from science
and technical programs as being difficult for most of the audience to
swallow. I can see that trying to deal with the needs of all blind people
on in touch is tricky but probably I would just combine the show with you
and yours like some here have suggested.
Cheers
Graham
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From: "Ian Macrae" <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Sight Village and In touch
Hi Ray,
Very interesting and, it seems to me, valuable comments. Whenever I do
technology based stuff for In Touch, what guides what I do is not the
workings of the kit itself, but its use and practical application for
the lives of ordinary VI people. However, this occasionally prompts
some of the more technically minded on this list to have a go at me for
not going into the more arcane technical ins and outs of a piece of
equipment. When, for example, we reviewed the Sonus XT DAB talking
radio, we chose to concentrate on its absolute ease of use in terms of
setting up pre-sets and navigating around the dial. This was at the
expense of discussing the more technical aspects of the quality of its
reproduction. This lead some listers to not only criticise us for doing
this but to make the totally unfounded assumption that none of us had
any knowledge of or interest in these areas. The fact is that In Touch
has to talk not only to the generalist blind audience but to the general
radio 4 audience to some extent too.
Cheers now.
Ian
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Sent: 25 July 2006 02:17
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Sight Village and In touch
On the subject of Sight Village and IN Touch generally, we should be
wary of stereotyping older people as dwelling in a sort of pre Hi Tech
world. I know of at least a couple of folk in their sixties and a
little beyond that who've taken to emailing and the net and enjoyed the
challenge of it, including screen readers. The more mainstream, not
specifically disability needs type organisations, are doing their bit
too in promoting 'Silver surfing' aimed at drawing in older folk to I
T.
In Touch have done a feature too on Guide and Freedom box re. B CAB and
their officially launch of these products as carrying the seal of
approval by the established organisations. This trend, and the
unstoppable daisification of reading material should be things worth
covering without a shiny technology label being stuck on them.
Many now are reaching retirement age having accommodated new forms of
communication, some on this list. the same can be said of the
acceptance of mobile phones because they are so obviously useful. that
is one area where I personally lag behind a bit. I still do not have
much use for texting, and I have lived enough of life to feel that a
mobile isn't an integral part of life that I feel compelled to talk and
text endlessly.
I do feel that in all this discussion of SV and high tech coverage that
we tend to se the technology as almost a subject in itself, rather than
the practical uses of it that run across all areas of life. Work, for
those lucky enough to have it; leisure for reading, including enjoyment
of books; taking notes, at home or while on the move. Even traditional
things like cooking and gardening and other pastimes probably don't
escape the intrusion of 'technology'.
Often now though I despair of what I might call 'journo speak'. This is
where 'technology' is used to mean something new, almost magical and
definitely 'sexy'. Any new gadget is a 'technology' or a new twist or
a novel innovation in a program is a technology'. .Its laziness and,
not to blame IN Touch, but we shouldn't be surprised if they fall into
this trap too.
From Ray
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of George Bell
Hi Ray,
An interesting choice of words, "relevant to death-blind".
(Smile)
Speaking as a dealer, I am encouraged by how many elderly people are
actually venturing into the hi-tech world. For many, it may be basic to
you and me, but even a digital recorder counts.
But picture your own self now. Will you hang up your keyboard when you
collect your first pension book?
George.
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Sent: 24 July 2006 20:37
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Sight Village and In touch
Yes, I think the facts around visual impairment and blindness are pretty
well established and HMSO has been mentioned, and within their
publications the oldish OPCS survey for one has lots of relvevant info.
RNIB itself has done quite a few surveys and reports over the years too.
In Touch will have ready access to these sources and other material.
Interesting that, as far as I know, RNIB doesnt have a very accurate
idea of how many Braille readers there are in the UK. That's
particularly relevant to death-blind people and I believe I recall one
or two features In Touch has done around deaf-blindess in the not too
distant past.
I say, and with no great enthusiasm, that In Touch might be right to be
mindful of older people and those who are not into I T. I think the
programme is going to have to address such issues as the more rapid move
to digital media.
Reluctant many maybe to make the move, but nonetheless reports on
addressing this issue by inovations in computer tech, training, and
national and local initiatives, will make for interesting features which
I hope we'll hear something of soon. My little contribution to the
Sight Village thread was motivated by such an interest.
I must say the programme stil has an air of blind welfare department
about it, at least to me, but maybe I'm not getting old gracefully
enough!
From Ray
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mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
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The facts and statistics are all available in an HMSO Publication.
George.
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[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Derek Hornby
Sent: 24 July 2006 17:30
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Sight Village
Ian says:
"Fact, the vast majority of people over 65 have no independent income
and live on their state pension. Fact, While it's true that some older
people have embraced technology, the vast majority simply don't get or
haven't had the opportunity. Fact, the vast majority of people of that
age who lose their sight have things more central to their lives to
worry about than computers like using their electric kettle safely,
feeding themselves, getting out and avoiding isolation.
Finally what evidence do you have to the contrary?"
Non, that is why I am not making unproven assumptions.
There is no proof all of the above it true, just as there is no proof
that all of the above is false.
But anyway this is going off topic and is more suitable for a political
debating list.
Regards,
Derek
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