[access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
- From: "Caroline Ford" <caroline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:44:00 +0100
Hello Hussein,
TNAUK do have a recorded version of the magazine which runs to 90 minutes
every fortnight. It's available either on cassette or via the MP3 download
service. It most likely doesn't include the entire text of the magazine,
but it might be better than nothing.
Caroline.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Hussein Patwa
Sent: 03 June 2010 19:57
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
Hi George,
Sorry to ask as I don't know your sight level, but do you access the printed
version of the magazine or are you on an electronic subscription of some
kind? I used to read the magazine faithfully some years ago, but then print
became an issue so I stopped. TNAUK don't seem to have it, so just curious
where you were getting it from.
Hope I'm not being too nosy 'smile'.
_______________________________________
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Hussein.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of George Bell
> Sent: 02 June 2010 23:49
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
>
> Doubtless it will be as accessible as a bank manager is these days,
> but in Computer Active magazine, 27th May to 9th June edition, page
> 65, is a report which says that there will be a cut down "Starter
> Edition" of Office 2010 which will be offered by computer
> manufacturers and pre-installed on PCs they sell.
>
> George
>
> BUT, it goes on to say that while it will be free, "it will instead
> include advertising".
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
> Sent: 02 June 2010 09:49
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
>
> This is correct, it is a similar scheme that was run when Windows 7
> was released, which allowed people from previous versions of Windows,
> based on version and purchase date, upgrade for free.
>
> _______________________________________
> Have a pleasant day,
>
> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
>
> Hussein.
>
> Hussein Patwa
> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
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>
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
> > Sent: 02 June 2010 00:04
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> >
> > Hi Eleanor.
> >
> > If you have office 2007 and activated it after March 5th I think,
> you
> > also have a dated sales receipt and the product key and product ID
> to
> > hand, you can apply for a free downloadable upgrade from
> www.microsoft.com/techg.
> >
> > All the best, Ibrahim.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:59 PM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> >
> >
> > >I know but how do you upgrade to 2010 for free.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "chris hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:56 PM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >
> > >
> > >> One can buy Office 2007 Home and Student, and the product key is
> > >> good
> > for
> > >> up to three computers.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mr IT Help Desk [HND]
> > >> E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
> > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
> > >>
> > >> On 01/06/2010 23:22, Eleanor Burke wrote:
> > >>> What is the free computers scheme Chris?
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth"
> > >>> <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:28 PM
> > >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hopefully, if I get a license for 2007 Home and Student thanks
> to
> > >>>> the three computers scheme, then I may upgrade for free to
> 2010.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mr IT Help Desk [HND]
> > >>>> E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
> > >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 01/06/2010 22:25, Barry Hill wrote:
> > >>>>> There are a lot of negatives there, and some of them are
> serious
> > >>>>> ones. I'm sticking with 2003.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Barry
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: "Griffiths, Steve"<Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> To:<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:29 PM
> > >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Not specific to using it with JAWS, but I have some likes and
> dislikes
> > >>>>> with the Office 2010 beta. Maybe the dislikes have been sorted
>
> > >>>>> in
> the
> > >>>>> actual release.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Likes:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1. Keyboard use. Moving between groups on a ribbon tab has
> been
> > >>>>> changed from Shift+RightArrow to Ctrl+Rightarrow, and this
> means
> > >>>>> you don't
> > get
> > >>>>> caught on any editable controls - brilliant! This is a really
> > >>>>> handy way for keyboarders to move quickly through the ribbon
> > >>>>> controls.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2. The Find dialogue is now located in the Navigation pane and
>
> > >>>>> simplified; it requires a few more keystrokes to get to the
> > >>>>> Options
> or
> > >>>>> "old" dialogue. 2. I like the way it informs you how many hits
>
> > >>>>> there are
> > >>>>> - very handy.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 3. Nice to be able to customise the ribbon. Haven't played
> with
> > >>>>> it a great deal, but the idea is great.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 4. Outlook Calendar. I like the facility to group calendars in
>
> > >>>>> the Navigation Pane, and move calendars between groups. Even
> > >>>>> better
> > would
> > >>>>> be
> > >>>>> the ability to right click a calendar and choose a "move to
> group"
> > >>>>> option which would give a list of the groups (a bit like
> moving
> > >>>>> a message to another folder) because screen reader users may
> > >>>>> have to
> > use
> > >>>>> the Move Up option a number of times to get a calendar into
> > >>>>> another group, and there is little feedback to say when a
> > >>>>> calendar moves
> from
> > >>>>> one group to another.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Dislikes:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1. Outlook. Doing an Advanced Find with Ctrl+Shift+F - if I
> > >>>>> choose
> one
> > >>>>> of the buttons that opens another dialogue (e.g. From,
> Browse),
> > >>>>> when
> > I
> > >>>>> close this second dialogue my keyboard focus doesn't appear to
> > return
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> the Advanced Find dialogue - although I can press Escape to
> > >>>>> close
> it!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2. Outlook. Can no longer use Alt + S to save and close an
> appointment
> > >>>>> or contact. I have to press Alt, H, AV, unless there's a trick
>
> > >>>>> I'm missing?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 3. Print/print preview. There are two annoyances with this. a)
>
> > >>>>> If I use a shortcut such as Ctrl+P to open the print dialogue,
>
> > >>>>> or Ctrl+F2 to get a print preview, I can then not use the
> > >>>>> keyboard to navigate the resulting screen. I have to use the
> > >>>>> Backstage menu - this I what
> they
> > >>>>> have renamed the File menu, although they have replaced the
> > symbol for
> > >>>>> it with the word "File" - to get to the same screen (Alt, F,
> P)
> > >>>>> if I want to use the keyboard to navigate it. b) I used to
> like
> > >>>>> using the print preview screen to work out how documents like
> > >>>>> spreadsheets
> > would
> > >>>>> look when printed. In previous versions of Excel I could press
> Ctrl+F2
> > >>>>> to open print preview mode, and then use PageDown and PageUp
> to
> > move
> > >>>>> between the pages. I could explore each page with a virtual
> > >>>>> cursor
> if
> > >>>>> I
> > >>>>> wished. Apart from the fact that I have to use Alt, F, P and
> > >>>>> then B and F to move the print preview from page to page, the
> > >>>>> layout of the screen with the Backstage menu at the left, the
> > >>>>> print dialogue in the
> middle
> > >>>>> and the print preview at the right make it almost impossible
> to
> > >>>>> work out where my document content begins and ends. A very
> > >>>>> useful feature is
> > no
> > >>>>> longer available.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 4. Keyboard use, In Outlook's View pane, the controls in the
> > >>>>> Arrangement group have underlined letters. A control label
> with
> > >>>>> an underlined letter usually means you can use the Alt key
> with
> > >>>>> the letter to activate the control, but I can't get these to
> > >>>>> work in this way.
> I
> > >>>>> have to use Alt, W, AB to get to the stage where I can use
> these
> > >>>>> underlined letters simply as keytips.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 5. Keyboard use. Can't save attachments via the Backstage menu
> > unless
> > >>>>> the item is open; the menu item is greyed out regardless.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 6. Focus. If I open a Word/Excel document from Windows
> Explorer,
> > >>>>> it doesn't take focus.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 7. Outlook - if I move to a day in the Calendar and press Ctrl
> +
> > >>>>> N,
> I
> > >>>>> get an appointment with the attributes of an event - midnight
> to
> > >>>>> midnight - but without the "all day event" checkbox checked.
> In
> > >>>>> Outlook
> > >>>>> 2007 I got a half hour appointment starting at the time set as
>
> > >>>>> my default in Calendar Options, which was much more like what
> I
> > >>>>> usually need.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 8. The colours for focus/selection on the File menu do not
> make
> > >>>>> it clear where focus is. Dark blue indicates the presence of a
>
> > >>>>> submenu and light blue shows focus, but when focus moves to a
> > >>>>> submenu, the light blue
> > is
> > >>>>> lost. Would it be possible to swap the colours around, so
> focus
> > >>>>> is easier to establish? Also, the Add-Ins item shows as white
> > >>>>> text on a light background when focus moves to it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 9. Keyboard use. If I hover the mouse over a lower ribbon
> > >>>>> command, a tooltip pops up that often includes a keyboard
> > >>>>> shortcut. I can't
> find
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>> way to get the same information with the keyboard. Also, I
> can't
> find
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>> way to get similar information about items on the BackStage
> > >>>>> menu,
> > with
> > >>>>> either the keyboard (my preferred method) or the mouse.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 10. Disappointing that keytips haven't been made more
> intuitive
> > >>>>> -
> e.g.
> > >>>>> in Word, to change the document to Draft view, which is what
> > >>>>> Normal view is now called, is still Alt, W, E. In almost all
> > >>>>> cases, the number
> of
> > >>>>> keystrokes to achieve something have either stayed the same or
>
> > >>>>> increased.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 11. Panes that open at the right and left, often don't take
> focus.
> > >>>>> E.g.
> > >>>>> Shift + F7 highlights the current word, opens the Research
> pane
> > >>>>> at
> the
> > >>>>> right and presents Thesaurus results for the word - but focus
> > >>>>> stays
> on
> > >>>>> the highlighted word. I have to press F6 once or twice,
> > >>>>> depending on whether the Navigation pane is on screen, to get
> to it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 12. To change View options, you have to visit the View tab
> > >>>>> (Draft, Print layout etc), Insert tab (Header/Footer, page
> > >>>>> numbers) or Reference
> > tab
> > >>>>> (table of contents, footnotes/endnotes). It would be useful if
>
> > >>>>> these were all on the same tab.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Steve
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>
> > >>>>> On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>> Sent: 01 June 2010 15:26
> > >>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Oh Carol, where to start?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Well, Outlook 2010 is considerably more stable than 2007 ever
> > >>>>> was. I can start browsing folders without the program hanging
> on
> > >>>>> me even whilst mail is still being downloaded. The
> conversations
> > >>>>> view is far more customisable.
> > >>>>> There is better handling and management of read receipts, with
>
> > >>>>> tracking information added to the original message. Deleted
> > >>>>> items in IMAP folders are moved to the Trash folder of the
> > >>>>> mailbox, instead of remaining in the original folder. There is
>
> > >>>>> better support for simultaneous calendars excluding Exchange.
> > >>>>> The format of the
> > program
> > >>>>> has been improved, so things are in more logical places, for
> example,
> > >>>>> the 'from' drop down box when composing messages to specify
> the
> > >>>>> sending account. On that note, if you start a new message from
>
> > >>>>> within a
> given
> > >>>>> mail account's folder, the mail will default to sending from
> > >>>>> that account for that message, rather than reverting to the
> > >>>>> default mailbox.
> > >>>>> This is very handy if, like me, you have 22 separate mail
> > >>>>> accounts
> all
> > >>>>> within the same program.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And that's just Outlook. Need I go on?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Absolutely loving it. So much more productive than I ever was
> > >>>>> with 2007.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _______________________________________
> > >>>>> Have a pleasant day,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hussein.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> > >>>>> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP)
> > >>>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> > >>>>> Skype: patwaspotterfan2
> > >>>>> GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter
> > >>>>> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> > >>>>> My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Find me on Facebook:
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>>>> On Behalf Of Carol Pearson
> > >>>>>> Sent: 01 June 2010 05:46
> > >>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> OK, so please tell us Hussein, about these features???
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Carol
> > >>>>>> carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>> On Twitter: http://twitter.com/songbird49a
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ---- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>> From: "Hussein Patwa"<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> To:<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:57 AM
> > >>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Yes, it has the ribbon interface, even Outlook now, which
> was
> > >>>>>>> a
> > long
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> time in coming. I love it. Outlook has so many features that
> I
> > >>>>>>> wish we had long before now that I can now use.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I often have to use a machine with Office 2003 on it for
> > >>>>>>> printing, etc. And going back to it is like walking into the
>
> > >>>>>>> past, I can never find things and it all seems so illogical.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Have a pleasant day,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hussein.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>>>> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> > >>>>>>> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP)
> > >>>>>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> > >>>>>>> Skype: patwaspotterfan2
> > >>>>>>> GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter
> > >>>>>>> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> > >>>>>>> My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Find me on Facebook:
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> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > >>>>>>> Sent: 31 May 2010 21:10
> > >>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is it like 2007 with all those ribbons?
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:59 PM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From what I know it should be. I'm using it with a different
> screen
> > >>>>>>> reader, and I love it. I'm not sure if Jaws will go down
> their
> > >>>>>>> normal line of requiring an add-on though to make it work
> fully.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Have a pleasant day,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hussein.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>>>> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> > >>>>>>> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP)
> > >>>>>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> > >>>>>>> Skype: patwaspotterfan2
> > >>>>>>> GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter
> > >>>>>>> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> > >>>>>>> My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Find me on Facebook:
> > >>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Moore
> > >>>>>>> Sent: 31 May 2010 13:51
> > >>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is MS Office 2010 Professional compatible with JFW 11
> Standard
> > >>>>>>> version?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> TIA,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>>>
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