[access-uk] Re: JAWS punctuation/customisation question
- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:51:50 -0000
As I was saying before I interupted myself and sent the message, an interesting
post Catherine.
Interesting too that the guy that sprang to mind for giving answers, one BH,
lept into the fray.
Maybe Brian is taking a good deal of what you have been saying on board, but as
a non-JFW user it often estounds me how little of JFW many of its users
actually know. Still, as a program gets more and more complex only a few keep
up with it all.
I wonder though whether BH or other clever scripties could help solve your
problem and frustrations? Its a complex set of questions you bring up, but
designing a logical, even intuitive interface, is an art. Not everyone will
take to a designers scheme easily either.
I wonder too whether some will come up with solutions that look a lot like the
Alistair King Webie solutionsfor internet radio, podcasts, news feeds, etc. Me
thinks a small industry of interface re-engineerers might be imerging. Pity
the software developers aren't more aware of these things.
Anyway, as usual, I drift.
Cheers.
Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Catherine Turner" <catherineturner2000@xxxxxxxxxxx>
| Hi,
|
| Sorry if people have already seen this on the jaws-uk list but no one there
| has responded and there seem to be more people here, and I'm desperate to
| sort out the punctuation question.
|
| I've got a specific question here, and a general comment.
|
| My question is how do I get JAWS 7.0 to indicate capital letters by saying
| "Cap", in Microsoft Word, and to do so both when I am cursoring down line by
| line and across character by character? But not during Say All.
|
| Step by step instructions would be most appreciated.
|
| Now my general comment. I apologise if this has been gone through before
| but I've only just upgraded to 7.0 from 4.5. I don't want to start a long
| topic of moaning here, but I would appreciate people's views on what I am
| feeling.
|
| Am I alone in feeling that the array of customisations to do with how JAWS
| speaks formatting, punctuation etc is unnecessarily detailed and very
| confusing? I think I should be able to work out the answer to my above
| question by myself. But I can't.
|
| I've been using JAWS since 2001, and Windows since 1998. I consider I'm
| pretty good at working things out, and, if I can't work things out without
| doing so - reading help topics and following instructions. And I know
| products change over time and we have to do an amount of learning. But I
| think there's something wrong when an experienced user such as myself can't
| get JAWS to announce capitals in the way I want it to; and can't get a
| quick, understandable answer from the help topics. Does anyone else find
| this?
|
| If I am struggling, I am wondering how does a user new to JAWS manage?
|
| To a certain extent I guess my frustration is to do with the change from
| what I'm used to; and to the fact that, because I've grown used to e.g.
| capitals being announced in a certain way, I want it exactly the same. But
| I'm sure that's not all of it - apart from the quest to get the settings the
| same, I'm just generally quite baffled by the differet places/choices one
| goes to to make changes - verbosity; configuration manager; JAWS/options.
| This has always been the case to a certain extent but to me it seems worse
| now (unless I'm getting less patient with age). Some of it isn't logical to
| me - e.g. Why is something called x manager (Speech And Sounds Manager" not
| listed in "JAWS Manager" invoked by pressing ins F2? I found it in
| Configuration Manager...but hey, this doesn't make for a very usable
| structure to me.
|
| I have come to the point where I'll have to put in a lot of time to learn
| this product as well as I need to. I think this learning time could be
| dramatically reduced if the menus/managers were organised in a more logical
| way. And if they are to be like this, I'm thinking it would be good to have
| a wizard to step through the process of making customisations.
|
| Also what I find noteworthy is one of the reasons I chose JAWS in the first
| place over WE was the fact that I found JAWS's interface/customisations to
| be intuitive. I no longer find this to be the case. (I don't want to start
| a discussion about WE v JAWS, but I'm just interested to know whether anyone
| else finds/found this frustrating too).
|
| Catherine
|
|
|
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